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If you've ever tried getting out of London on the A13 during evening rush hour, you'll understand why self-driving cars are cloud cuckoo land. They'll wait forever for gaps that aren't there. It takes nerves of steel, and no little courage to make any progress involving lane changing. It's usually experienced give and take that avoids complete gridlock.
New S-Class has it enabled in limited situations in Germany: motorways only and at relatively low speed. Basically Level 3 for traffic jams onlyI think Audi binned that in 2020 (for the A8L at least) - not just Tesla finding FSD "hard"
There was an interesting article written about 3 years ago that basically said getting it working on motorways first was the way to go. Less complexity, safer roads statistically, maybe the higher speeds count against it, but arguably higher benefit to drivers. I think the pitch was essentially get level 4 working on motorways so you could work in your car, have a nap, watch TV, and then just take over at the end.
Tesla and the path to full self-driving value (2023 update)
Tesla are pushing forward with their full self-driving (FSD) plans, but is there a more sensible path to both usable autonomous driving using their autopilot features and share price value.tesla-info.com
It's easy to to forget there are 3 levels or "self driving" where the car is responsible. The merc version seems to be level 3, the above level 4, and level 5 will be a pipe dream for a long time. I believe Tesla are still firmly in level 2 and haven't yet submitted any level 3 driving data to a regulator. The pilot in the US might be a fairly feature rich version but being 95% good at 95% of driving won't cut it, whereas being 100% good at 80% of driving might have a place.
I think the logic is that once all (or most) cars are self-driving they'll somehow communicate with eachother and "agree terms" on merging and gaps and such, so confidence or nerves won't be a factor. Obviously it's a chicken and egg problem while the vast majority of cars on the road aren't self-driving in the slightest.If you've ever tried getting out of London on the A13 during evening rush hour, you'll understand why self-driving cars are cloud cuckoo land. They'll wait forever for gaps that aren't there. It takes nerves of steel, and no little courage to make any progress involving lane changing. It's usually experienced give and take that avoids complete gridlock.
That’s because it is. We adopted the UNECE rules. They were initially proposed by Germany and Japan.
We actually adopted the rule about a year ago - the newspapers crowed about us being the first to do so then too. Not sure what has changed recently if anything.
Registered for what?Tesla’s are already registered cars but they might need approval by the Secretary of State for Transport under AEVA (The Automated and Electric Vehicles Act 2018). The question might be - are people (voters) ready? Are Brits comfortable with self-driving cars? | YouGov
Registered in terms of being registered vehicles meeting all of the usual vehicle standards. I take your point that they might need re-registering as ‘autonomous’ either in bulk or individually.Registered for what?
Self-driving vehicles listed for use in Great Britain
Check if a vehicle is listed as self-driving for use in Great Britain.www.gov.uk
Definitely not there..
I agree. I don't do the miles I used to, but we drove to Cumbria recently, only 3 hours of motorways although did include a really slow stretch around Manchester, and if I could have just let the car do the motorways it would have been fantastic. I live down a country lane and it will be a long time before a self driving car manages it, a fair few drivers struggle plus you're constantly dodging potholes.honestly I'd pay for FSD for that - its the equivalent of a train journey and I don't mind driving for 15 mins either end. I don't need that edge case particularly solved
4 miles of single track hills and blind bends, here. Perhaps I need to trade my Tesla for a horse and cart with a mattress in the back.The only advantage to the "last mile" being self driving, is the trip back from the pub. Luckily mine is only a short walk.
I'm mostly bitter that I bought FSD in 2020 when I got my car and essentially nothing has been developed on it in that time. My car stops for traffic lights on AP, and NoA has worked well when I've used it (but EAP has that anyway), but everything else is useless.
I think you can be done for drunk in charge of a horse, I certainly think you can on a cycle.4 miles of single track hills and blind bends, here. Perhaps I need to trade my Tesla for a horse and cart with a mattress in the back.
Your car doesn't learn, that's not what AI means in this context. I don't believe the version of AutoPilot we have in the UK has had any significant new training since 2019, and as per what we've been told at various Tesla AI events all their focus shifted to starting again on a new model to eventually replace but also have the ability to do city streets.It's very frustrating.
Even in the USA, where the progress is, it still drives rather like a learner driver. The car isn't learning as quickly as a human, despite Tesla's AI claims.
It will happen, but often with technology there is an initial breakthrough which solves many problems but becomes over hyped until reality sets in, then it follows a more gradual improvement.
I think Elon Musk imagined this working but his imagination was limited to the world he knew, not the global complexity of driving in every situation. If you imagine lovely wide quiet grid roads or highways, the problem is simpler. When you imagine a busy school run with narrow streets, speed bumps, pot holes, some rural roads, other impatient drivers, random parked cars and lots of traffic congestion, it's a very different complexity.
I'll stick my neck out and say that outside of A roads and motorways, it's still at least 10 years away.
Your car doesn't learn, that's not what AI means in this context. I don't believe the version of AutoPilot we have in the UK has had any significant new training since 2019, and as per what we've been told at various Tesla AI events all their focus shifted to starting again on a new model to eventually replace but also have the ability to do city streets.