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Is anyone else mad?? How to get Tesla to listen?
- Thread starter vwmotorsports
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I hate it when people pretend that AP is free now. It isn't. They raised the base price of the car to compensate. Additionally, the cost of FSD went up for the amount that AP dropped.
e.g;
EAP 5k, FSD 3k. Total: 8k
AP 3k, FSD 5k. Total: 8k
AP 2k (built into base price of car), FSD 6k. Total: 8k
The prices haven't change at all.
e.g;
EAP 5k, FSD 3k. Total: 8k
AP 3k, FSD 5k. Total: 8k
AP 2k (built into base price of car), FSD 6k. Total: 8k
The prices haven't change at all.
lynnpt2001
Cookie Monster MX & M3
Most cars are the same as the M3, bought a 2009 Acura MDX, then bought a 2015 many more features and options. Paid less for the 15. Go figure
Uncle Paul
Well-Known Member
I just read that the Acura NSX just lowered their list price by $20,000 to stimulate sales.
Tesla has a published policy for continuous improvement. The is reflected in their cars getting constantly better, and better values as well.
It seems that no matter when you buy your Tesla, later customers will get additional features, many at no costs. Pricing also constantly gets adjusted due to Tesla costs, competition, etc.
Biggest issue seemed to be that when the Federal Tax credits got reduced, Tesla has tended to also reduce their pricing to compensate, so net pricing has remained relatively consistent.
Tesla has a published policy for continuous improvement. The is reflected in their cars getting constantly better, and better values as well.
It seems that no matter when you buy your Tesla, later customers will get additional features, many at no costs. Pricing also constantly gets adjusted due to Tesla costs, competition, etc.
Biggest issue seemed to be that when the Federal Tax credits got reduced, Tesla has tended to also reduce their pricing to compensate, so net pricing has remained relatively consistent.
I would only be mad if they charged me more money than what was on the screen when I pushed the "BUY" button. What is wrong with you people? Do you complain when the computer you bought last month is now 25% cheaper?
I understand where you are, I’m in the same boat you are in.
This is basic supply and demand. We purchased when demand was high and supply was low...and we paid.
I don’t think Tesla owes us anything. However, not a month has gone by where they haven’t given me features I didn’t pay for.
Paid top price for mine on Dec 26 and I haven't regretted it ever.
notAnExpert
Member
Nguyenning
Member
Take this analogy with a grain of salt, but people literally wait in lines to buy the latest iPhone release. Those things retail for around $1,200 or more now brand new.
That same device 1 year later can be purchased for a fraction of the cost around $500-$600 for a "new user/customer"... and those same early adopter existing customers similarly get the short end of the stick.
That same device 2 years later can be purchased for even less obviously. Hell, that $1,2000 device probably sells for $300 on eBay and Craigslist aftermarket.
Point is, being an early adopter comes at a cost. You get to be among the first to have & experience this new piece of advanced technology and show it off to all your friends and strangers turning their heads as you drive by.
That same device 1 year later can be purchased for a fraction of the cost around $500-$600 for a "new user/customer"... and those same early adopter existing customers similarly get the short end of the stick.
That same device 2 years later can be purchased for even less obviously. Hell, that $1,2000 device probably sells for $300 on eBay and Craigslist aftermarket.
Point is, being an early adopter comes at a cost. You get to be among the first to have & experience this new piece of advanced technology and show it off to all your friends and strangers turning their heads as you drive by.
Just to make sure I understand what you are frustrated about...
You bought the car last year sometime, and now it comes with more features (for less than you paid), and you are mad that they are not giving you those features for free?
When you purchased your last non tesla car, and the newer versions of those cars came out with more features standard, did you go back to that manufacturer and ask to get those features free? Probably not.
The issue here is, people think "because its software, its easy for them to give it to me" or some other justification. In what world do people get retroactive features just because others got it cheaper later?
If you thank about it, it’s like everything else. Say a credit card provider, like chase, has some new incentive nor ‘New Members’ only, while a customer in great standing for the past 15 years gets nothing. They won’t honor crap nor give you squat.
Take Dish, DTV, Amazon Prime, you name it....no real incentives once your sign up.
Same here. This helps me as I tell myself I was an early adopter.
Take Dish, DTV, Amazon Prime, you name it....no real incentives once your sign up.
Same here. This helps me as I tell myself I was an early adopter.
Tesla is a corporation not a charity lol. It doesn’t matter if you are first in line to put a deposit. It doesn’t matter that you believe in their mission or think Elon is a genius. They’re out to make money and keep their shareholders happy. Sorry but they are like any corporation that cuts employees to increase profit; that will cut someone who is working with them for 25 yrs as middle management or lower level employee. They don’t owe anyone anything, and they won’t give anything for free on a mass scale. No loyalty here people, it’s capitalism.
Shoot I think I’ve spent close to 30k in apple products man and they treat me like any schmoe that walks in on the street. It is what it is.
Similarly, I’ve had State Farm for at least years, do they care, nope they raise my premium after my first accident in 17 yrs!
Now is this a value or behavior our society needs? I personally don’t live my life that way, I actually help people for a living, but I don’t expect anyone to follow my example.
Shoot I think I’ve spent close to 30k in apple products man and they treat me like any schmoe that walks in on the street. It is what it is.
Similarly, I’ve had State Farm for at least years, do they care, nope they raise my premium after my first accident in 17 yrs!
Now is this a value or behavior our society needs? I personally don’t live my life that way, I actually help people for a living, but I don’t expect anyone to follow my example.
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Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Tesla is adding the safety parts of autopilot standard to every model 3. Emergency lane departure avoidance and automatic emergency braking should make the car as safe as autopilot. Personally I think they probably make it safer than autopilot.
Leafdriver333
Somewhat Active Member
AP is not free. On SR+ it became included after $2000 price increase.
Early adopters got $7500 tax credit.
SR+ buyers got $3750.
$7500-$3000(AP) is still $4500.
OP should just buy AP now for $3000.
Or keep waiting with me for a sale.
Early adopters got $7500 tax credit.
SR+ buyers got $3750.
$7500-$3000(AP) is still $4500.
OP should just buy AP now for $3000.
Or keep waiting with me for a sale.
verystandard
Member
Wait until the Tesla model 3 that's dumping out from Chinese Gigafactory then we can all rant together. I will join into this group in 3, 2, 1....
Why? What happens to someone else’s vehicle has zero bearing on yours or what you paid for it. I don’t understand this fascination worrying about other people’s stuff.
Eh, it’s a fact of life for some people. If Tesla gives something for free to some but not others, then the people who paid will probably want their money back too. The $5k refund for the P+ was exactly that phenomenon. So my point to the poster who wanted AP for free was that would set off a storm for others who did pay based on what happened with the P models.
And, yes, I am salty about having paid $3k for FSD in 2017 that hasn’t had a single feature release, then watching Tesla lower the price for others later. Tesla still hasn’t delivered anything yet after over a year and I can’t get a refund either. Not sure what other industry you could order something, not have it delivered for over a year AND not be able to get a refund if you decide it has been too long. But, hey, to each his own if you would be satisfied with that situation I suppose.
SammichLover
Banned
Oops, you missed the window for then smokin' deal where you could buy EAP+FSD for only $5K? (Best pricing ever to get FSD I believe). Or you just didn't have the cash at the time?
They do now bundle AP into the price of the car now but it isn't "free", it is more a required purchase that works out to somewhere between $1500 and $2000 IIRC? I think that's what it worked out to when the bundling change occurred? It would be nice for Tesla to offer that option backwards for those that didn't purchase EAP, although I don't know what the market size for it would be? Is that something that you'd buy?
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