I will move my car away with 95% if was asked even in the middle of having dinner. I know what’s the 30 mins mean to other people as a EV owner.
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Is it rude to ask?
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I will move my car away with 95% if was asked even in the middle of having dinner. I know what’s the 30 mins mean to other people as a EV owner.
Personal perspective I know, but I can't imagine sitting there with the car 100% charged and making someone who needs it, wait...
I would of probably asked the bar staff if they knew who it was, and if they didnt, just keep an eye out for it leaving. May be different after an hour if it hadn't moved.
If I was asked to move it during having a meal, I would probably of took even longer having my meal.
(I don't currently have my car yet)
If I was asked to move it during having a meal, I would probably of took even longer having my meal.
(I don't currently have my car yet)
What am I missing here?
Why do so many people feel it is OK to continue to occupy a charging spot when already fully charged and people are waiting?
I'm not saying everyone else is wrong, I'm just puzzled at the complete opposite reaction to most other situations when a car that no longer needs the charger is blocking others from using it?
Why do so many people feel it is OK to continue to occupy a charging spot when already fully charged and people are waiting?
I'm not saying everyone else is wrong, I'm just puzzled at the complete opposite reaction to most other situations when a car that no longer needs the charger is blocking others from using it?
50kw+ or 7kw? I wouldnt even ask for anything below 50kw. 50kw+ then Its ok to ask, but its definitely ok to be told no you must wait.
A Supercharger is a different ball game...
Have I just contradicted myself? does the 50kw act the same as a supercharger in this scenario?
I'm sure I will be in this situation at some point as I won't have home charging initially. I would certainly ask as the car is clearly charged enough at 95% but would be happy to wait. The location in question shows up as 50kW CCS on Zapmap, they couldn't have been there long as Polar charge a blocking fee after 90 minutes.
Just to fill in the blanks regards the situation:
1. I turned up and parked next to the golf and saw a SOC of 94% on the charger screen.
2. A few mins later a Lady came out to take photo of her licence plate and she saw the screen at 95-96% (she went up to the charger to look, so she did see the SOC)
3. She went back in - This is when i assumed she was putting her reg into the Computer inside and was ready to leave.
4. Car hit 100% a few mins after she appeared. (These Golf's charge very quickly from 95% to 100%)
5. i sat in my car for a further 5-10min waiting (Watching Youtube!) after the car had hit 100%
6. i then went inside thinking she had forgotten and I also to put my reg in to avoid a ticket.
7. I asked the staff politely and described the lady to the staff with a golf plugged in, and told them that it had finished and if it was ok for me to use.
8. Pub was not busy so the Staff member knew who i was describing.
9. Not sure what was said between staff & lady.
10. Staff member told me to wait and she'll move it when she’s finished.
So the fact that the lady knew her car was almost full and saw me sitting in my car when she came out was the odd bit! And she knew she was going back in to eat a meal!
1. I turned up and parked next to the golf and saw a SOC of 94% on the charger screen.
2. A few mins later a Lady came out to take photo of her licence plate and she saw the screen at 95-96% (she went up to the charger to look, so she did see the SOC)
3. She went back in - This is when i assumed she was putting her reg into the Computer inside and was ready to leave.
4. Car hit 100% a few mins after she appeared. (These Golf's charge very quickly from 95% to 100%)
5. i sat in my car for a further 5-10min waiting (Watching Youtube!) after the car had hit 100%
6. i then went inside thinking she had forgotten and I also to put my reg in to avoid a ticket.
7. I asked the staff politely and described the lady to the staff with a golf plugged in, and told them that it had finished and if it was ok for me to use.
8. Pub was not busy so the Staff member knew who i was describing.
9. Not sure what was said between staff & lady.
10. Staff member told me to wait and she'll move it when she’s finished.
So the fact that the lady knew her car was almost full and saw me sitting in my car when she came out was the odd bit! And she knew she was going back in to eat a meal!
I presumed rapid from the fact the OP said CCS.
Intuitively it feels a bit like poor form to go off and start having a lunch somewhere when their car could end up charging that last 5% for another hour, while someone else with next to no charge wants a splash and dash, but at the same time in the absence of explicit knowledge I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.
You could always hit the emergency stop button of course, which is another can of worms.
Everyone's thoughts about etiquette differ, sadly. There is no hard and fast rule, and no one is given training or guidance when they buy an EV. I wonder whether many people even know how quickly their charge tails off on a rapid charger after ~90%. When I first got my i3 I tested rapid charging it up to 100% (I waited in the car, no one else turned up) and it took almost as long to do the last 5% as the first ~70%.
Intuitively it feels a bit like poor form to go off and start having a lunch somewhere when their car could end up charging that last 5% for another hour, while someone else with next to no charge wants a splash and dash, but at the same time in the absence of explicit knowledge I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.
You could always hit the emergency stop button of course, which is another can of worms.
A rare situation ultimately but I think some patience and understanding from both parties would go a long way during this limited charger situation we are in. It's not rude to ask, but be prepared for a NO and consider other nearby options to charge. If you turned up to a petrol station and the pumps were out of order you would go somewhere else, you wouldn't get annoyed at the guy behind the till.
It's an odd situation that you 1) were able to ID the woman, 2) were able to see her charge state at 100%. Without knowing both of those, you would have simply drove away and charged elsewhere or waited patiently.
It's an odd situation that you 1) were able to ID the woman, 2) were able to see her charge state at 100%. Without knowing both of those, you would have simply drove away and charged elsewhere or waited patiently.
I think this is poor form as described. Since she saw you were waiting and that she already had 95%+ charge.
Unfortunately people are inconsiderate, and some people are stuck in the mindset of having to fill all the way up to 100% like they would in an ICE at a garage. Not excusing her attitude, because it sounds in this instance that she simply didn't care that you were waiting.
I think as the proliferation of EVs increases rapids will have to either stop charging and release the cable at ~90% and/or the overstay charges that some implement will have to actually become more draconian.
This is what happens in Glasgow to people who hog spaces after 100% - where do you draw the line? 
WannabeOwner
Well-Known Member
What I inferred was that the people who say they would finish their meal will be quite happy, when they rock up and find charger occupied and 95+% charged, to just sit in their car and wait patiently for the person to return.
If that's not the case then they can't hold an either-way view, surely?
Russinating
M3 SR+
If you asked me to move my car whilst I was mid-eating then I'd tell you to do a funny run. Of course I'd move it after.
Equally I wouldn't expect someone mid-mouthful to leave their table for me so it'd be more of a "I'd really appreciate it once you've finished if you could shimmy your car over and give me a wave".
Equally I wouldn't expect someone mid-mouthful to leave their table for me so it'd be more of a "I'd really appreciate it once you've finished if you could shimmy your car over and give me a wave".
The fact she took a photo of her own reg implies: 1) it's a new (to the driver) car, hence potentially still unfamiliar with the workings, including how charging works, how much time it takes, etc, and/or 2) the driver is a bit hopeless/disorganised (can't remember own reg). If either of those situations is true, I don't blame her (well I'd blame her for being disorganised, but some people are just like that, it's not really their fault). These (EV charging etiquette) are tricky new waters we're navigating, and I suspect there is a *lot* more pain ahead (we're only at the beginning!).
As far as expecting someone to interrupt their meal to move their car in this situation, that's incredibly rude -- a meal is a sacred thing, and the five minutes it would take to move the car are the difference between a relaxed warm meal, and a rushed cold one. I can understand having to move a car because it's blocking something important, but to give someone else access to a charger, no way.
As far as expecting someone to interrupt their meal to move their car in this situation, that's incredibly rude -- a meal is a sacred thing, and the five minutes it would take to move the car are the difference between a relaxed warm meal, and a rushed cold one. I can understand having to move a car because it's blocking something important, but to give someone else access to a charger, no way.
curmudgeon
Member
I don't care if she was having dinner with the Queen, nobody should leave their car sat at 100% on a rapid charger, it's just rude and inconsiderate.
She should have moved it immediately and apologised
She should have moved it immediately and apologised
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