The Israelis have been lucky thus far that the West Bank has stayed out of what is going on in Gaza. But for how much longer?
‘We Are Not Very Far From an Explosion’
‘We Are Not Very Far From an Explosion’
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Israel/Hamas conflict
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Iran seems to be backing away from a direct confrontation with the US. And on this page is an article about the terrorists who launched attacks on US bases deciding to call it quits as well. The US doesn't give a pass to terrorists so even if these scumbags fade back into the sewers they will be hunted.
Iran Suggests It Doesn’t Want War After U.S. Warning Over Drone Attack
Iran Suggests It Doesn’t Want War After U.S. Warning Over Drone Attack
They may be terrorists. But was the hospital a command center? That's a leap.
Regardless of that, if you find terrorists, go arrest them. Don't execute them. That's a dangerous precedent. I haven't seen any guns in the hospital room. Also, Israeli army criticizes hamas as dressing up like civilians and goes and does the same. Hypocrisy...
I would change that doctor, not the hospital. I think that is the part you are missing. Fire & prosecute the 12 (allegedly) involved. Why punish 2.3 million people in Gaza, when they need the help most? Do you not believe the news articles that people are at the point of starving to death?
I disagree. I either write about Israeli army, or Israel as a government. Or sometimes I specifically mention Netanyahu or use the word "Israeli ministers". I have made that clear several times, since I was called an antisemite by several users.
I also made couple of statements that I have no sympathy for hamas...
If a hospital was hurting you, you would check out of the hospital.
Organization is hurting the Gazans by supporting terrorism.
Therefore stop funding them until they fix their problem.
Again, I disagree. The wording is all inclusive of Gazans or sometimes Gazans and West Bankers. Maybe the intention was not that, but the wording is all inclusive.
I suppose this is where we disagree. You may be seeing Gazans/Palestinians as terrorizing their neighbors, but there are couple of issues with that statement. First, are they really neighbors? Both Gaza and West Bank are occupied territory. Second, how do you differentiate between armed resistance to the occupier and terrorism?
I agree it was a bad choice. But do you know that election happened in 2006? That's 17 years ago. Gaza population was 473,257. Assume half of them is children. IIRC, hamas won by a small margin, so let's call that half the votes. So roughly 120,000 people elected hamas. Gaza's population is 2,300,000 people today. I think it is a lame excuse to say Gazans elected hamas. And this is without going into how Israel government, especially Netanyahu financially helped hamas. And how, after the election, they erected the fence/wall, punishing Gazans. You can turn the nicest person in the world to a terrorist if you deny them basic human rights for 17 years, while randomly and periodically killing their family members.
You are making a leap. All we have is that 12 people allegedly took part in Oct 7th. Now you are saying the organization is supporting terrorism. That is a massive leap.
By the way, let's say it is that way. That UNRWA is somehow supporting terrorism. Why pull the support now? When people need it most. Back to your hospital analogy, you may have a problem with the hospital, but if you were stabbed 10 times, you would not go out and search for a new hospital. You would use the problematic hospital still.
So if you're getting stabbed in the hospital by the nurses, you wouldn't check out?
I even looked up your video of the "Israeli children singing about genocide" and again, you cherrypick stuff out of context and miss the scale difference between "this is a fringe minority" (hence why the video was taken down) vs "this is the majority opinion per voting, polls, etc."
The Israeli children were (allegedly) refugees from settlements that had to be evacuated due to the terrorist attacks.
Did Israeli children really sing about annihilating everyone in Gaza?
It’s the latest video to have caused outrage online, showing children singing about the "annihilation" of Gaza and its people. The video was even posted and then removed by Kan, an Israeli state-owned news channel. #TheCube
www.euronews.com
FYI, I'm putting you on ignore now. Your responses are ridiculously disingenuous. You say you are trying to be even-handed about your opinions, but as many others have tried to explain to you - raping and murdering innocent civilians in a terrorist attack is egregiously evil, even if it falls a few people short of your opinion of what "mass murder" is.
Before you got active on this thread it was full of useful information and opinions.
I don't think I'm the only one who would appreciate if you would read more, post less.
You should not punish the organization for the acts of 0.1% of their employees. You should punish the employees.
Especially if the organization is responsible for the basic needs of the people in a war.
By your analogy, no organization is safe from being defunded based on actions from individuals.
Especially if the organization is responsible for the basic needs of the people in a war.
By your analogy, no organization is safe from being defunded based on actions from individuals.
I agree that no organization has impunity and is responsible for the actions of the individuals who belong to it.
To what degree you push that limit is apparently where we disagree.
You can make the same argument that investors shouldn't punish TSLA stock because they disagree with Elon.
Stick, meet dead horse.
UNRWA critics hold the position that beyond the 12 confirmed UNRWA employees directly involved in the massacre/kidnapping of civilians inside of Israel and/or directly procuring weapons for the massacre, that this is just the "tip of the iceberg". Here are some of their points for systemic rot:
What to Know about UNRWA, the Allegations That Some of Its Employees Participated in the 10/7 Attacks, and Its Controversial Role
The Case Against UNRWA - UN Watch
Detailed reports from the watchdog group UN Watch have exposed over 150 instances since 2015 in which UNRWA staff have been implicated in supporting terrorism and antisemitism.
More than 80 UNRWA teachers and staff across more than 30 schools have been caught distributing hateful content in their textbooks.
According to UN Watch: “Teachers and schools at the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which runs education and social services for Palestinians, regularly call to murder Jews, and create teaching materials that glorify terrorism, encourage martyrdom, demonize Israelis and incite antisemitism.”
What to Know about UNRWA, the Allegations That Some of Its Employees Participated in the 10/7 Attacks, and Its Controversial Role
The Case Against UNRWA - UN Watch
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I see very little on this thread that isn't just a disingenuous repetition of Israeli propaganda. It's an embarrassment that people here can't admit there's a difference between what is true and what Israel claims.
So far as I can tell, the actual truth is that Israel's government consists mostly of lying, murdering war-mongers. And Hamas consists mostly of lying, murdering, war-mongers. Hamas exists today mostly because Netanyahu and his buddies have supported them over the years, as an excuse for why there must be a need for lying, murdering, war-mongers like them in government.
Since, at this point, the immediate violence will stop whenever Israel stops, that means it's currently entirely Israel's fault. And, since the US is unconditionally supporting Israel, it's also the US's fault. And that makes it my fault, as a US citizen and taxpayer. It makes me profoundly sad, disappointed, and embarrassed.
If Israel stopped operations in Gaza today, the rockets would continue to fly into Israel, hostages would continue to be raped and murdered, and Hamas would continue to plan the next 10/7 terrorism attacks. That's simply the sad reality of the situation.
The far right (ultranationalists) in Israel get some credit and deserved criticism for having not done much more to remove Hamas until now.
But Hamas exists today in its current form mostly because it began long before as a genocidal monster and since has been deeply funded and otherwise enabled by Iranian and other benefactors.
But Hamas exists today in its current form mostly because it began long before as a genocidal monster and since has been deeply funded and otherwise enabled by Iranian and other benefactors.
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Up is down, black is white.
The violence will stop when Hamas returns the hostages and stops firing rockets into Israel.
How many ceasefire offers has Hamas turned down this month alone? It just absolutely amazes me how so many folks who are so critical of Israel and claim to want a ceasefire, ascribe absolutely no culpability to Hamas, as if Hamas has no agency and are simple ball bearings or inanimate objects that are just instruments of Israel.
Meanwhile, here are some Gazans telling the IDF not to leave until they eliminate Hamas.
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No, that's just a bizarre belief based on a lifetime of being lied to and believing it.
"Other benefactors" include Netanyahu and his cronies. Well documented. (A brief history of the Netanyahu-Hamas alliance | Opinion)
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Nonsense. The violence is owned by Israel now. At least 99% of all the violence going on is perpetrated by Israel now. If they stop, the violence stops.
