I don't.
More specifically, I'm not clear what it refers to. I read it as "thermal failure with one or more parts of the vehicle". For all I know it could be the fog lights that experienced said failure.
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A moment of silence.
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Model S Accident/Fire
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More specifically, I'm not clear what it refers to. I read it as "thermal failure with one or more parts of the vehicle". For all I know it could be the fog lights that experienced said failure.
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It doesn't have to be anything but flammable liquid. As a chemist I've been through an extensive fire exercise. In one case a fireman had a metal tub filled with pure ethanol that he ignited and we took turns using a fire extinguisher to extinguish. After about the 5th person the tub would after about 30 seconds reignite all by itself. Either because the steel tub or the ethanol itself was so hot it ignited. So burning plastics with hot asphalt can propably do this as well.
Cobos
Note: In my opinion a low number Sig owner has no nefarious intent. I fully believe that a metal object on the ground could rupture the battery pack.
Personal story: When I was very young my father stuck a metal pipe on the ground in the middle of nowhere puncturing his gas tank. Our indication was watching the gas gauge drop fairly rapidly. My father floored the car to get us to a gas station within the next 5 minutes as we arrived the nearly full tank was empty. In retrospect this was probably a very unsafe thing to do but we arrived safely and had to spend the day in a small town while the gas tank was repaired.
CapitalistOppressor
Active Member
Well, I think I've accumulated enough negative reputation for the year. I think I'll go have dinner.
rolosrevenge
Dr. EVS
Get in the queue after objective investigations for:
1. deceptive advertising (5.4 star extrapolation, true cost of ownership calculator, showing net price vs. gross price, delivery timing for different car tiers)
2. safety issues (21" premature wear on unobservable inside shoulders, older style door handles opening doors by themselves)
3. inconsistent treatment for replacing inverters for humming on acceleration
Something about glass houses and stones.
I love tesla too, it's just a tough love.
You forgot the part about how someone used the REST API security "flaw" to take control of the model S to steer it into the large metal object. That's much more plausible than they "quickly moved it in front of" it. Occam's Razor dude!
The underbelly is smooth--there are a number of plastic (?) panels to smooth the airflow, so something would need to punch through the the panels then into the internals underneath the car.
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Thanks for posting this. Really gives a good picture of what is breakable on the bottom part of the car (not much). I think someone said the battery casing is quarter inch steel, is that right?
The car lowers at highway speed, too, right? That might explain how something could actually hit and penetrate such a protective shell.
I believe its a ballistic shield. I highly doubt something penetrated through that.
"Vehicle battery pack ballistic shield"
Vehicle Battery Pack Ballistic Shield - Patent application
Also "Vehicle battery pack thermal barrier"
Vehicle Battery Pack Thermal Barrier - Patent application
You said, "I believe it is a ballistic shield". No fair using facts to support your hypothesis! What about the game being played all day here called "Unsubstantiated Speculation and Wild Accusations" :wink:
Hmm.. something doesn't add up. The data gives me a pretty high confidence there was pack involvement. And the driver claims he hit something, but the shielding should be darn near impenetrable.
1 of those 3 things must be wrong!
Unless the pack failed on its own, and the burst panels caused a noise that the driver assumed was him hitting something. This is obviously worst case possible event scenario, but also the lowest likelihood.
Since we are all speculating randomly, I blame this thread:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/21729-Unusual-use-of-Frunk-Reporter-wants-to-know
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/21729-Unusual-use-of-Frunk-Reporter-wants-to-know
Did I misinterpret this thread? I didn't think that yobig20 was saying the cause of the fire was the ballistic shield, I thought he was just explaining the photo you (pfq1982) posted earlier and responding to what the "panel" or "shield" was made of and specs on thickness...
I don't own a Tesla. After a few iterations of the technology and once the kinks have been worked out, I'm a highly interested buyer.
I feel zero urgency to endure all the growing pains I read about on the forum. When Teslas are fives times as popular and 10% as cool, I won't feel like I've missed a thing
I don't own a Tesla. After a few iterations of the technology and once the kinks have been worked out, I'm a highly interested buyer.
I feel zero urgency to endure all the growing pains I read about on the forum. When Teslas are fives times as popular and 10% as cool, I won't feel like I've missed a thing
Had a feeling you didn't by your negative tone. Always easy to stand on the sideline and cast stones. These are cars so chill out--ALL manufacturers have some issue or another from time to time.
Might want to be careful with the tone, as some might think you are trolling, especially since you don't even own one.
I think you misinterpreted my note. Or, more likely, my note wasn't clear.
I was just pointing out that if:
A. main pack was involved in the fire (as I believe the evidence points to), and
B. the driver really did hit something, and
C. the ballistic shield battery casing is nigh impenetrable,
then what explains the fire? One of these must be wrong (A most likely?), or there is alternate explanation not presenting itself to me.
Well that makes two of you (you and CO).
I still don't think we have any evidence supporting that theory. I can dream up all kinds of scenarios where the pack is involved in the drama, but that's something else entirely.
