New P85 ordered.....have some questions.

[Scothawk]

Hello to the forum members.

I'm about to trade in my most favorite car ever, 2011 Audi A8L for a new Tesla Model S. (My wife can't believe I'm willing to give up my Audi.)

I placed my order for a MS P85 4/20/14, received VIN #41922 on 4/22/14.

I have yet to be contacted by a delivery specialist and on my dashboard on My Tesla it still says "sourcing parts". I'm curious when should I expect to hear from a delivery specialist? Will they call or will it be by email?

I did receive an email confirming my HPWC is being mailed out and should be here in 5-7 days. Have to put new 100 amp service into my garage. (My electrician was blown away by the amount if power a Model S can suck down!

Thanks for answers in advance!

 

[TexasEV]

Just checking, if you're installing 100A service for the HPWC did you order the P85 with dual chargers? I doubt you'll find much opportunity now to use dual chargers in that part of the country.

 

[Scothawk]

Yes went with the dual chargers. Albert Lea is only 30 miles north of us and we travel to Minneapolis frequently. Also hoping for Supercharger along the I-80 corridor Des Moines, Iowa City in the not too distant future.

 

[Btrflyl8e]

I think the communication varies widely. I got a phone call only, less than a week before my delivery date. Other than that, it was just emails from Tesla with paperwork to sign.

I doubt you'll even miss that Audi!

What is your config?

 

[TexasEV]

Yes went with the dual chargers. Albert Lea is only 30 miles north of us and we travel to Minneapolis frequently. Also hoping for Supercharger along the I-80 corridor Des Moines, Iowa City in the not too distant future.

Dual chargers have nothing to do with supercharging. This is a common source of confusion. All 85's have supercharging enabled and it's an option on the 60's. Dual charger option is different--it puts a second charger in the car to allow charging >40A from level 2 chargers or HPWC. One charger can take 40A, two take up to 80A. Problem is there just aren't many level 2 chargers out there which supply more than 30A, as that's what were installed for Leaf, Volt, etc. with the government grants a few years ago. Blink and Chargepoint are all only 30A.

I most cases a 100A circuit and dual chargers are overkill for a home garage, as the car will charge fully overnight with the standard single charger on a 50A circuit. Dual charger at home is useful only if you're coming home with a depleted battery and need to charge fully over a few hours for another long trip.

 

[techmaven]

I most cases a 100A circuit and dual chargers are overkill for a home garage, as the car will charge fully overnight with the standard single charger on a 50A circuit. Dual charger at home is useful only if you're coming home with a depleted battery and need to charge fully over a few hours for another long trip.

Well, sometimes the cost differential between installing a 50A solution and a 100A solution is not all that much. Further, it's nice to be able to keep a relatively low battery state most of the time (charge to 50-70%) and then still be able to range charge at 80A quickly if you suddenly need it.

 

[muleferg]

Dual chargers have nothing to do with supercharging. This is a common source of confusion. All 85's have supercharging enabled and it's an option on the 60's. Dual charger option is different--it puts a second charger in the car to allow charging >40A from level 2 chargers or HPWC. One charger can take 40A, two take up to 80A. Problem is there just aren't many level 2 chargers out there which supply more than 30A, as that's what were installed for Leaf, Volt, etc. with the government grants a few years ago. Blink and Chargepoint are all only 30A.

I most cases a 100A circuit and dual chargers are overkill for a home garage, as the car will charge fully overnight with the standard single charger on a 50A circuit. Dual charger at home is useful only if you're coming home with a depleted battery and need to charge fully over a few hours for another long trip.

I agree with TexasEV. I did not order the twin charger. I already had a J1772 that I received from Duke Energy for free to charge my 2012 Leaf.

 

[andrewket]

Many threads on this topic that the OP can go read. There are three camps:

1. Those that see no need for >40A charging.

2. Those that do for one or more reasons: they want to quickly charge for an unscheduled trip; use a TOU rate structure with their utility and need to completely charge within a smaller window than "overnight"; want to take advantage of >40A public EVSEs that while rare do exist; drive more than x/miles a day (x varies on model and driving style) and need to charge more than once per day.

3. Those that were in camp 1 but switched to 2 after they ordered their car. The second charger is a $1500 option from the factory and $3500 at an SC.

I personally use my second charger regularly because of TOU rate plan. When I had a loaner for a few days that only had a single charger I either didn't charge as much as I would have liked or ended up paying more to do it.

 

[Doug_G]

I have dual chargers but mainly use the second one on road trips. For my garage I charge at 40A on a NEMA 14-50. If I needed to I could use a 70A J1772 on the other side of the garage, but I think I've used it to charge the Model S twice.

 

[wamochi]

I placed my order for a MS P85 4/20/14, received VIN #41922 on 4/22/14.

I have yet to be contacted by a delivery specialist and on my dashboard on My Tesla it still says "sourcing parts". I'm curious when should I expect to hear from a delivery specialist? Will they call or will it be by email?

i ordered 4/21, confirmed 4/22 and received emails from the store rep that helped me on 4/23, then the DS on 4/24. i have asked the DS a few questions related to the car already to which he promptly replied.

however, i have not received a VIN yet - but we ordered the MS60 so it could be a while compared to the P85. what is your estimated delivery?

 

[TexasEV]

Many threads on this topic that the OP can go read. There are three camps:

1. Those that see no need for >40A charging.

2. Those that do for one or more reasons: they want to quickly charge for an unscheduled trip; use a TOU rate structure with their utility and need to completely charge within a smaller window than "overnight"; want to take advantage of >40A public EVSEs that while rare do exist; drive more than x/miles a day (x varies on model and driving style) and need to charge more than once per day.

3. Those that were in camp 1 but switched to 2 after they ordered their car. The second charger is a $1500 option from the factory and $3500 at an SC.

I personally use my second charger regularly because of TOU rate plan. When I had a loaner for a few days that only had a single charger I either didn't charge as much as I would have liked or ended up paying more to do it.

All of those reasons in #2 are certainly valid, but I think some are ordering dual chargers for none of those reasons. The OP apparently thought it would be necessary or somehow beneficial for supercharging. Some don't know just how rare a high amp level 2 charger is in most of the country (though future-proofing is a valid reason if that's the intent). Dual charger option was paired with HPWC for a while in an attempt to avoid misunderstandings, but that wasn't popular. The Tesla website seems clear to me on charging options but it's not to a lot of people for some reason.

 

[Scothawk]

All of those reasons in #2 are certainly valid, but I think some are ordering dual chargers for none of those reasons. The OP apparently thought it would be necessary or somehow beneficial for supercharging. Some don't know just how rare a high amp level 2 charger is in most of the country (though future-proofing is a valid reason if that's the intent). Dual charger option was paired with HPWC for a while in an attempt to avoid misunderstandings, but that wasn't popular. The Tesla website seems clear to me on charging options but it's not to a lot of people for some reason.

Texas, the rationale I used for ordering dual chargers is for the convenience of charging faster than I otherwise could, i'm well aware that it is not ralted to whether I can Supercharge or not. Also if I'm driving a long distance I'd rather be able to charge as quickly as possible.

Also regarding the 100amp service I'm adding to my home, given that Iowa a has few and far between fast chargers and I live just off of I-35, I plan to put my charger on Apps such as Plugshare for other Tesla owners who may be traveling through my region to be able to use my setup at home to charge a bit more quickly (especially if they too have dual chargers.)

For this that asked here is my configuration:

Country: US
Delivery City: Clear Lake IA
Battery: 85
P: Yes
P+: No
Order Date: 20-Apr
Con- firmed: 21-Apr
Pref Deliv: June
Was this the earliest delivery date: Yes
Est Delivery Date: June (date unknown)
VIN: 41922
VIN Date: 22-Apr
Current status:: We have begun sourcing parts for your Model S.
Paint color: Black
Roof: Pano
Weels: 19" Cyclone
Seats: Tan Perfomance Leather
Decor Accents: Carbon Fiber
Tech: Yes
Parking Sensors: Yes
Winter: Yes
Fog Lights: Yes
Sound Studio: Yes
Extended Nappa Lether Trim: No
Alcantara Headliner: Yes
Air Susp: Yes
Rear Facing Seats: No
Light Package: Yes
Security Package: Yes
Parcel Shelf: Yes
Charger: Double
Supercharging: Yes
Paint Armor: Yes
"19"" Primacy Tire Upgrade": Yes
Spoiler carbon: Yes
Red Brake Calipers: Yes

 

[Ugliest1]

If you're planning on travelling to the Canadian Desert, there are lots (many? some? most?) of 60A, 80A, 90A, and some 100A Sun Country EVSE's sprinkled across the TransCanada, by looking at Plugshare.com. I'll be testing many of them out this summer.

A 60A EVSE delivers 48A continuous to the car (80% of the 60A breaker), so you have to have dual chargers installed to get that extra 8A. Likewise 80A=54A, 90A=68A, 100A = 80A (so 100A EVSE's would max out the dual car chargers, but if you only have a single charger you're maxed at 40A no matter what).

During trips I want to minimize forced stops as much as possible. But that doesn't mean I don't like the more leisurely relaxed road trip way of the EV (let me put that another way: this new, more relaxed, longer stops to get better breaks and see some interesting things, etc way of travelling is fabulous!). We find we are far less tired at the end of a travel day than in an ICE.

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OP beat my post and now it looks like I didn't add anything OP didn't already know!

 

[jthompson]

Texas, the rationale I used for ordering dual chargers is for the convenience of charging faster than I otherwise could, i'm well aware that it is not ralted to whether I can Supercharge or not. Also if I'm driving a long distance I'd rather be able to charge as quickly as possible.

Also regarding the 100amp service I'm adding to my home, given that Iowa a has few and far between fast chargers and I live just off of I-35, I plan to put my charger on Apps such as Plugshare for other Tesla owners who may be traveling through my region to be able to use my setup at home to charge a bit more quickly (especially if they too have dual chargers.)

One of the great things about TMC and Tesla owners is a variety of experiences and opinions! Numerous owners have ordered their Tesla's and afterwards wished they would have included some options in their purchase...and then the upgrade costs them more. The flexibility of having dual chargers helps you at home and on the road, and the HPWC also gives you options and saves wear & tear on the UMC. I never regret getting the dual chargers and 100 amp line for my HPWC - I use both of them every night from 1 am to 5:30 am!

Also, I did not see you mention it, but check to see if your utility company offers any kind of EV plans or incentives. A number of utility companies around the company offer special pricing plans and also dual meters (where your house is on one meter and your EV is on the other).