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Petition to Overturn Dealership Franchise Laws

sp4rk

Banned
Apr 25, 2012
1,219
3
Schaumburg, IL
Ok, I have a nagging question about this inability to sell cars direct to consumers.

Motor homes are BIG cars. Sort of.

While there are motorhome dealers coast to coast, there's also at least one that has no dealers, that let's you buy directly from them ... and no one's stopping them.

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Are they "below radar"? What's the difference?
 

Lloyd

Well-Known Member
Jan 12, 2011
6,268
2,064
San Luis Obispo, CA
They have ICE, they are not threatening their basic business model, and they do not present a new paradigm in transportation, and sales. Just stating the obvious!
 

Robert.Boston

Model S VIN P01536
Oct 7, 2011
7,844
37
Portland, Maine, USA
I'll sign but it won't do any good. The only way for this to become a Federal Case is for Tesla to sue a state for interfering with Interstate Commerce. Once that happens it becomes a federal issue and will need to work its way through the courts. The dealers would have a lot to lose if that happens as there would be a good chance that the courts would strike down these franchise laws and then there would be precedent that would eventually topple all of the dealers across the country. That being said I believe some of the laws might stand. I believe the ones that could stand are the laws that prohibit manufacturers from competing with a franchise in a given market but those are probably tenuous as well.
I'm pretty sure you're incorrect about this. It can't become a case in federal courts except by the route you describe, true enough; but my understanding is that Congress could enact a law allowing electric cars manufactured in the United States to be sold directly by manufacturers, provided that the manufacturer has no existing franchised dealer in the state. If it did so, under its authority from the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution, any state franchise laws would be superseded.
 

Enadler

Member
Nov 29, 2012
406
95
Westchester, NY
I'm pretty sure you're incorrect about this. It can't become a case in federal courts except by the route you describe, true enough; but my understanding is that Congress could enact a law allowing electric cars manufactured in the United States to be sold directly by manufacturers, provided that the manufacturer has no existing franchised dealer in the state. If it did so, under its authority from the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution, any state franchise laws would be superseded.

robert you may be correct however I think it would be a huge leap to think that congress would ever enact such a law that so blatantly steps on states rights. Congress has proven time and time again that they are beholden to big money and local interests and not really interested in the greater or good or what is fair and right. That's why I think that Teslas best option is the court. The problem with this path is the time involved.
 

vetboy45

Member
Feb 14, 2013
62
0
Kent wa
Posted on the ford focus electric site. If you word it correctly, people who have other EVs will likely sign the petition as well since it has the potential to benefit the industry as a whole. Perhaps the leaf site, plug in prius etc.
 

EVMD

Member
Apr 20, 2013
5
0
Glen Echo MD
sign White House Petition for Tesla model..

Overturn franchise laws that limit auto manufacturers from selling their vehicles directly to consumers. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

Please consider signing the petition above:

Petition to White House

The idea of helping Tesla Motors to make its non-dealer stores legal seems to have at least some support among the general public, too.
A petition on WhiteHouse.gov urges the Obama Administration to “overturn franchise laws that limit auto manufacturers from selling their vehicles directly to consumers.”
Posted on Tuesday, the petition must reach 100,000 signatures by May 16 to be considered by the White House.
Thus far, it has fewer than 2,000–though we suspect that number may rise as Tesla fans and supporters get wind of it.
 

Curt Renz

Well-Known Member
Mar 5, 2013
6,493
83,997
USA
Posted on the ford focus electric site. If you word it correctly, people who have other EVs will likely sign the petition as well since it has the potential to benefit the industry as a whole. Perhaps the leaf site, plug in prius etc.

That's a fine idea, vetboy45. In fact it could be carried much further. The petition is not specific to electric cars. Eliminating the middlemen could be of interest to all consumers seeking to buy cars or have them serviced.

Meanwhile, my Friday stock market commentary which will appear on my website through Monday asks readers to consider signing the White House petition: Stock Market
 

spleen

Active Member
Jul 7, 2012
1,160
88
Honolulu, HI
They may be ICE, true ... but they sell direct.

Maybe a difference in volume. There has to be an exception made for custom low volume vehicles - the dealer model would be unsustainable. I'm sure that the dealers would argue though that Tesla is too big now to fit into this mold.
 

mattjn

Member
Dec 8, 2012
56
0
USA
You all DO realize that even setting aside the fact that these are state laws, the President is NOT a king and can not set aside any laws, period. This petition isn't going to do anything, because even if the federal government wanted to take up this issue, Congress is the one that would have to do it.
 

JohnLuck

Member
Dec 17, 2012
11
0
Denmark
You all DO realize that even setting aside the fact that these are state laws, the President is NOT a king and can not set aside any laws, period. This petition isn't going to do anything, because even if the federal government wanted to take up this issue, Congress is the one that would have to do it.

But at least more people in the white house would be aware that there is a problem people care about.
 

Benz

Active Member
Nov 15, 2012
1,905
20
Netherlands
But at least more people in the white house would be aware that there is a problem people care about.

Yes, that's right.

And therefore I also have voted, although I live in The Netherlands. I think everybody should do so. We still need a lot more votes to reach the total of 100,000.

Therefore, I hereby ask everybody to vote, wherever you may be living. It's very easy. All you have to fill in is your email address and your name, that's it.
 

Curt Renz

Well-Known Member
Mar 5, 2013
6,493
83,997
USA
You all DO realize that even setting aside the fact that these are state laws, the President is NOT a king and can not set aside any laws, period. This petition isn't going to do anything, because even if the federal government wanted to take up this issue, Congress is the one that would have to do it.

Federal laws regarding interstate commerce trump state laws. The president is the number one lobbyist to Congress. In fact the Constitution requires him to make suggestions to them.
 

mattjn

Member
Dec 8, 2012
56
0
USA
Federal laws regarding interstate commerce trump state laws. The president is the number one lobbyist to Congress. In fact the Constitution requires him to make suggestions to them.

and you think the Republicans in the House give a flying crap what the President suggests? After his failure of gun control, he's going to take up interstate commerce? Yeah, don't think so.
 

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