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I love the interviews with actual cab drivers at the end. It was very cool to see their reactions to the advantages of an EV/EREV over an ICE especially in a city environment.
Calvin.K
Member
Unfortunately, this latest "Volts for Oil" episode of Fully Charged linked above on YouTube perpetuates grossly inaccurate mythology about the amount of grid electricity used to refine a gallon of gasoline.
He says 4.5 kWh of grid electricity is used in the UK to refine each gallon of gasoline. The actual number is well under 0.5 kWh. In the US around 2008, grid electricity represented about 3.5% of the energy used in refineries. The vast majority of the energy came from "still gas" left over from previous crude oil refining and natural gas. Even if that natural gas were used instead to generate electricity it would result in a bit less than 1 kWh when distributed to someone's home or business electrical outlet.
I posted detailed calculations along with links to source data to the comments section of the episode under the "mhoMPG" user name. A broader discussion of the details probably belong on a different thread.
He says 4.5 kWh of grid electricity is used in the UK to refine each gallon of gasoline. The actual number is well under 0.5 kWh. In the US around 2008, grid electricity represented about 3.5% of the energy used in refineries. The vast majority of the energy came from "still gas" left over from previous crude oil refining and natural gas. Even if that natural gas were used instead to generate electricity it would result in a bit less than 1 kWh when distributed to someone's home or business electrical outlet.
I posted detailed calculations along with links to source data to the comments section of the episode under the "mhoMPG" user name. A broader discussion of the details probably belong on a different thread.
JRP3
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I didn't see your comment on the video but I agree with your conclusion that his numbers are way off, and that your less than 0.5 kWh number is closer to reality.
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callmesam
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Ecotricity brings suit against Tesla over Supercharging Network.
Ecotricity said it has brought an interim High Court injunction.
A Tesla spokesman declined to comment on the details of the legal case but said: “Our priority is to build a network of superchargers. Its full steam ahead and they will be deployed. It continues apace.”
Tesla in row over ‘raid’ on Ecotricity charging posts - Business News - Business - London Evening Standard
Ecotricity said it has brought an interim High Court injunction.
A Tesla spokesman declined to comment on the details of the legal case but said: “Our priority is to build a network of superchargers. Its full steam ahead and they will be deployed. It continues apace.”
Tesla in row over ‘raid’ on Ecotricity charging posts - Business News - Business - London Evening Standard
Well, when one builds a network that actually charges cars at a lightning speed rate compared to yours, it must be a crime. Right?
EarlyAdopter
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stopcrazypp
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It seems they are saying they introduced Tesla to landlords/partners and prime locations and Tesla "stole" that information to use to build their own network.
Realistically I don't think they will win. If the information they gave was really that critical to building stations, they should have made Tesla sign a non-compete agreement before disclosing it. And I don't believe the judge will find it convincing that Ecotality couldn't have for seen Tesla building their own network, given Tesla has been working on superchargers for so long and have always indicated they plan to build a network worldwide.
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