thought you would like that collection. Sadly this has been something we've hit back and forth since March of last year. Well finally you are seeing the results of your long held view on russian artillery. Took longer than either of us thought but now it is clearly here. They cannot keep these losses up and I would think that soon the only self propelled artillery will be the old t62/t55 tanks. Far cry for a 203mm mortor of 152mm SPG
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precision machine tools and high quality steel. Chatter is that the new steel in russian barrels is not as fine a quality as the older barrels. Don't know if it is true but the trace mineral components might be skimped (ni, chromium, etc) or it could be shoddy workmanship.
Is North Korea a viable/plentiful source for artillery and shells? Putin was meeting with his North Korean buddy for a minute.
I would guess.. just a guess that it is shells and not howitzers themselves. I bet N Korea is mostly towed. It is a very mountainous country and the soviet self propelled guns would, i think, have huge difficulties on the grades. EDITED piece below says both barrels and ammo are thought to be too low quality
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Ukraine Update: Russia doesn't have a backup plan when it runs out of artillery
Joseph Stalin supposedly once called artillery “the God of War.” Regardless of the historicity of the comment, it gets at a certain truth about the Russian and Soviet armies since well before the time of Napoleon: Artillery has been, and continues to...
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More reading on the artillery systems. FYI Ben Hodges posted something shortly after the war started saying Russia had 18months. I can't remember if it was his work or someone else but it was 18 months worth of shells and barrels. Well, here we are. Lots and lots of people commented that if the war would go on russia would be in trouble due to the lack of soviet manufacturing scale but reliance on soviet mass area fire.
Ruzzia wants a "ceasefire" so they can "negotiate". They are getting their asses handed to them but they still don't accept that they have to get out of Ukraine.
“We do not mind negotiations, need to consider realities on ground”: Russian Foreign Minister on possibility of ceasefire with Ukraine
“We do not mind negotiations, need to consider realities on ground”: Russian Foreign Minister on possibility of ceasefire with Ukraine
Well considering the realities on the ground, Ukraine will let them keep Moscow.
BitJam
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Ukrainian Flag Flies Over Occupied Donetsk: Volunteers Launched It On 245th Anniversary of Avdiivka
Also, in nearby Opytne:
Ukraine regains ground in Donetsk Oblast after swift counterattack
One source claimed that Ukraine made gains in Opytne because Russians were shooting at the flag thus giving away their positions. Unfortunately for Russians, this was followed by artillery strikes and an infantry advance by Ukraine. IMO the launch of the flag was very cool even if it didn't result in military gains.
Also, in nearby Opytne:
Ukraine regains ground in Donetsk Oblast after swift counterattack
A lightning offensive by the Ukrainian Army forced Russian troops to retreat from a part of Opytne in the Donetsk Oblast.
One source claimed that Ukraine made gains in Opytne because Russians were shooting at the flag thus giving away their positions. Unfortunately for Russians, this was followed by artillery strikes and an infantry advance by Ukraine. IMO the launch of the flag was very cool even if it didn't result in military gains.
It did take a while. The shell weight for a tank gun used as artillery is not as much as for the average howitzer, but the biggest problem for tanks used as artillery is the limit of gun elevation. Because the gun can't elevate as far, the range is limited. Russia is going to face the same problem with tank artillery that they have with their artillery now. The tanks will have to get suicidally close to the front lines to fire.
Gun barrels require a special alloy of steel to make and special tools are required to bore out the barrels. After the USSR collapsed the Russians allowed the old Soviet artillery production to whither and die since there were so many guns in storage. I believe the artillery gun barrel manufacturing was mostly done in Ukraine which was now another country.
Today there are very few companies that make the machine tools to make large gun barrels. I believe the biggest is in Germany. The machine tool makers who can make these tools is limited outside the west. Even China imports a lot of their machine tools from the west.
Russia does make tank gun barrels for their T-90 production, but the rate is about 250 a year. They have been selling most of those to other countries before the war. They were a source of income for the country. They made a handful of barrels for the 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV next gen howitzer. They made 12 of them. The only artillery production in about 20 years.
Like the T-14 tank, Russia was trying to get a foreign buyer to get the artillery piece into production. The Russian arms procurement system is set up so they need a foreign buyer before they can put any new arm into production. If no buyer comes forward, the weapon stays in the prototype stage.
Russia could switch over their limited barrel production capacity to howitzer barrels, but they would have to shut down tank production. They have been talking about increasing tank production to 1500 a year, but so far there is no indication that production has increased at all. Probably because there are many bottlenecks preventing production increase, including limited barrel production.
Russia has already received artillery shells from North Korea. Their storage is poor and the shells Russia received were in poor condition. Russians were posing photos on Telegram.
Both NK and SK have a lot of artillery. It's assumed that if the Korean War kicked off again that artillery would play a significant role.
Nobody knows for sure how many guns the NK have or what condition they are in. But they have a number of different types.
List of equipment of the Korean People's Army Ground Force - Wikipedia
Tanks don't make great artillery, but the barrel elevation issue can be addressed.
SwedishAdvocate
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Guard At One Of Putin's Palaces Flees To Ecuador, Criticizes War And Kremlin Leader
September 10, 2023By RFE/RL's Russian Service
A guard at one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's residences in occupied Crimea has fled to Ecuador, calling the Kremlin leader a war criminal. […]
In the interview, Brizhaty said that Putin didn't trust his own guards. He said the Kremlin would announce Putin's arrival at two different airports in Crimea but that he could very well end up arriving by sea.
"That's how much this man fears for his life," he said. […
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Guard At One Of Putin's Palaces Flees To Ecuador, Criticizes War And Kremlin Leader
A guard at one of Russian President Vladimir Putin's residences in occupied Crimea has fled to Ecuador, calling the Kremlin leader a war criminal.
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There is that, but it affects accuracy. If the barrel elevation is off by a degree or two that can make a big difference where the shell lands.
My long held opinion that this is the finest IFV. Glad to see Ukraine agrees.
I continue to find his reporting interesting. Key takeaway here is the widening of the salient. Very interesting that as soon as the first russian artillery rounds fall the tanks retreat to keep the artillery from correcting.
ATG crews and drone operators missing multiple times...interesting as well. osint technical has had many of these clips up before the reportingfromukraine YT channel but he doesn't put the narrative together. Twitter was and still is not a great platform for sharing thoughts. A little data, yes but that's about it.
The other point here was that Ukraine is raiding right into the village of Novo...well the village south of Robotyne. If there was any proof needed that the complex fort between the two villages had fallen this is it.
ATG crews and drone operators missing multiple times...interesting as well. osint technical has had many of these clips up before the reportingfromukraine YT channel but he doesn't put the narrative together. Twitter was and still is not a great platform for sharing thoughts. A little data, yes but that's about it.
The other point here was that Ukraine is raiding right into the village of Novo...well the village south of Robotyne. If there was any proof needed that the complex fort between the two villages had fallen this is it.
This graphic adds some insight into the reportingfromukraine comments. You can see that UAF are just a few fields away from the village and tanks are conducting direct fire into the village.
petit_bateau
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This seems to indicate - at least in this area (which is a rather important one) - an increase in the Ukraine operational tempo; improved unit co-ordination; and increased scale in the operations. The linkage of drones, helicopters, artillery, tanks, infantry, engineers, logistics all reflect good co-ordination of this push within the equally well co-ordinated deeper fight.
Hopefully the Russians' pace in establishing/reinforcing/constructing/improving their fallback lines is slower than the Ukraine advance.
Here is the 80km range circle from the centre of that salient, set behind (N of) Robotdyne. That salient is now about 10km wide and 10km deep, and growing in both directions.
And here are the M14 etc coast roads marked .... another 5-10km breadth and depth in the salient and the Ukraine forces could start to try HIMARS launches against that road. Which I am sure has some vulnerable bridges, fuel depots, etc along it. Whilst not in themselves enough to bring things to a halt, every little helps. The extra 5-10km length and breadth would be just about enough to create a safe space against counter battery and Ka52 fires, and would likely be setting up a SAM trap for any Russian fixed wing as it is also a safe enough area to get M-SAM assets into.
Good luck Ukraine for the next 5-10km.
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petit_bateau
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Some relevant reads
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The Second Front • desk russie
Russia is carrying out undermining work among the Ukrainians themselves, but also by infiltrating Western decision-making circles, in Washington and in European capitals. Preventing Western support for a final victory for Ukraine and discouraging Ukrainians from fighting until victory, these are...
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lolachampcar
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The Institute for the Study of War provided info in its Sept 10 daily report.
Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Kyrylo Budanov stated on September 10 that Ukrainian forces will continue counteroffensive operations into late 2023.[4] Cold and wet weather will affect but not halt active combat, as it has done in the first 18 months of the war. Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley stated on September 10 that Ukrainian forces probably have 30 to 45 days of “fighting weather” left.[5] Seasonal heavy rains and heavy mud in late autumn will slow ground movements for both sides, and low temperatures impose a variety of logistics challenges. The start of such seasonal weather is variable, however.[6] While weather considerations will affect Ukrainian counteroffensive operations, they will not impose a definite end to them. A hard freeze occurs throughout Ukraine in the winter that makes the ground more conducive to mechanized maneuver warfare, and Ukrainian officials expressed routine interest in exploiting these weather conditions in winter 2022–2023.[7]
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