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Hard to tell. I don't think any of the government wizards has determined what the minimum Db level that is acceptable for a car . That would have to apply to ICE or EV.For those of you with real world knowledge, would the cooling fan/ AC compressor suffice for noise generation on a Tesla?
For those of you with real world knowledge, would the cooling fan/ AC compressor suffice for noise generation on a Tesla?
No, because they're not always on. But the whole fuss over noise is nothing but a baldfaced pile of FUD from haters who will do anything to oppose electric cars, probably funded by oil companies. Plenty of gas cars are too quiet for a pedestrian to ear over the random noise of the environment. And because of the performance tires, Teslas actually make more noise than some gas cars.
. But the whole fuss over noise is nothing but a baldfaced pile of FUD from haters who will do anything to oppose electric cars, probably funded by oil companies.
I contend that it is FUD. But the difference is a confusion that you touched on, but didn't quite go far enough with.It's not FUD.
Right... and your device is NOT what this discussion is about. Who could argue with having the ability to make a happy sound when needed? The only argument I know of, is where the car constantly makes an artificial sound.While I hole-heartedly agree that there should not be any legislation to force cars to have these devices, I've already sold about a dozen of my EV-Horn units to people who believe they have a specific need for such a device
It makes more sense to say "... who just can't hear a quiet car creeping up behind them." This should not be only about EVS! Which is the whole point, I think... in why many claim that this is FUD. Why are people afraid of EVs if they aren't afraid of other quiet cars?...to warn people in parking lots who just can't hear an EV creeping up behind them.
My point too!Finally, let's keep the issues straight. There are two very different issues.
I'm all in favor of some kind of artificial noise an EV can make when there is a good chance there will be pedestrians around, but the rest of the time I prefer the silence.
The law as it is now requires electric vehicles to make an artificial noise below 18 mph. That will make stop and go traffic on freeway much more annoying. In a few years there will be a cacophony of different noises all blended together into a tapestry of noise that will be maddening for many people who have to hear it. And the odds there are pedestrians on the freeway is pretty small.
Cities with slow traffic all the time like Manhattan will also becomes noisy messes. I haven't been to New York, but my SO stayed there many years ago for a few nights. She had enough trouble sleeping due to the traffic noise. Imagine thousands of EV noise makers adding to the noise pollution?
Another time that will be annoying is first thing in the morning in neighborhoods when your neighbor's car is making noises going up the street while you're trying to sleep in. We had a neighbor for a year or so (he was a renter) with a big diesel pickup and he liked to warm it up on cold mornings by starting it and letting it idle for up to 30 minutes. This was less than 50 feet from our bedroom window. Then once we're fully awake we could hear him drive all the way down the hill. He was an early riser who would be out of the house before 6 AM.
An EV wouldn't make noise as long, but it could be even more annoying.
When my SO was having a number of medical procedres we had to leave the house very early some mornings around 4 to get to the hospital. I was thankful to have a silent car that wasn't waking up the neighbors when we left. The odds of encountering any human pedestrians at that hour was nil, though we did see some wildlife.
I'm all in favor of some kind of artificial noise an EV can make when there is a good chance there will be pedestrians around, but the rest of the time I prefer the silence.
I contend that it is FUD. But the difference is a confusion that you touched on, but didn't quite go far enough with.
I agree that it is FABULOUS to have a user-operated pedestrian warning "friendly" sound. For ALL cars at parking lot speed. My EV1 had this by pulling the "high beam" stalk. It would flash the brights and give a friendly warble. Super handy, and perfect to have. I miss it on all of my subsequent cars.
The FUD comes in with the contention that all EVs should be making sound all the time. That's BS, IMO. Part of the BS is that the legislation says nothing about the natural sound level emanating from a vehicle. This "must make artificial sound at low speed" is only attached to cars with electric propulsion, in the presumption that only EVs are quiet. So apparently a quiet gas car (most modern cars) doesn't need this but EVs do?? And of course we're still looking for the evidence that shows EV drivers are mowing down blind people at an alarming rate.
Right... and your device is NOT what this discussion is about. Who could argue with having the ability to make a happy sound when needed? The only argument I know of, is where the car constantly makes an artificial sound.
It makes more sense to say "... who just can't hear a quiet car creeping up behind them." This should not be only about EVS! Which is the whole point, I think... in why many claim that this is FUD. Why are people afraid of EVs if they aren't afraid of other quiet cars?
My point too!
Ya know... it is the job of the driver of ANY vehicle to not run people over. It doesn't matter how load the car is... unless we've just given up on having skilled drivers, and all cars into the future will honk the horn constantly, and have a rotating beacon on the roof.
Indeed. Yet here we are right back to the same discussion of "bell the hybrid!" Yikes.Hey, Darell, good to see you again. I hadn't noticed you on here before.
(I haven't been on that other car forum in years. The Prius just seems so antiquated since Tesla came along.)
Daniel
I also only got active after my Model 3 reservation. But unlike you, I'm still waiting (see signature).You joined just a little before I did, but I was not active here much for a long time. I got back on when I reserved my Model 3, which I've had now for about half a year, I think. Have you been active here all this time?
Anything that's user-selectable is great by me. But really... the EV1 implementation covers this as well. You pull the stalk to make the warble tone before backing (even during if you wish) to make your own "happy" warning sound at any time you please. The stalk can be found without looking for it...same as flashing the brights.I'd actually really like a back-up beeper that could be turned on and off. I had that on my Xebra, and it was nice. I used it for backing out of blind parking slots
I've not been up-close with an I8 but I thought the Vroom-Vroom simulated engine noise was on the speakers inside the car, not outside?, and as such maybe all that is heard outside is the Putt-Putt of the lawn mower engine? (Although, having said that, I guess it could be making a different sound when running on its minuscule-battery?)
As the car has 3 cylinders, this makes it sound like it has 6 cylinders
It is most definitely not a lawnmower engine. Are you confused with the i3 REX unit?
The engine is sourced from a Mini Cooper S. In the configuration fitted to the i8 it is BMW's highest output per litre unit across their entire range.
The Jaguar I-Pace's noisemaker isn't so bad?!
Jaguar I-Pace originally sounded like a UFO, but people kept looking up