See, I like the "cleanliness" of the stalkless but if it's not functional then the S3XY buttons allow me to keep that but with a static indicator location which could be in an easy to reach but concealed locationI believe aftermarket stalks are soon to be a thing so that might be a better mitigation, should you feel that you need it
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Interesting to see several Norwegian driving schools have already dropped the 3 because of the stalkless design and its potential safety issues.
Tesla's turn signals are causing havoc at Norwegian driving schools
Tesla's turn signal design, which lacks a traditional stalk on its newer vehicles, is causing havoc in Norwegian driving schools.
Clearly it's not by regulation or Tesla wouldn't be able to change it, or other cars which didn't have stalks e.g. some old Citroens.
It certainly would make it harder for them to correct the mistake if the pupil forgot to indicate, as they couldn't reach over and flick the stalk for them. That said, Like i mentioned before, they could install S3XY buttons on the passenger side. I query why any new driver needs to learn in a car with that much power anyway - never driven before and exposed to Circa 300Bhp in a Standard Range (iirc)I suspect this will be harder for the instructors than for the pupils. A bit like a car driving instructor trying to teach someone how to ride a motorbike when he/herself does not know how to
Or back in the days (quite a while back admittedly) when you were insured to drive any vehicle, and you borrowed your mates car and indicated with the wipers because it wasn't uniform what side of the wheel they were on.
This is the point I raised before, most of the roundabouts near me are "built up" ones with 3-4 lanes, and a lot of improvement plans running locally are to widen roundabouts, or replace them with traffic lights.
I imagine it is very much a case of the instructor wanted it, but wanted to write it off as a company expense...Local to me, there is at least 1 M3P as a learner car. No doubt in standard/chill mode but even then
The old Citroen's had the indicators on a binnacle that stayed in the same position, it's no different from a stalk.
There are several roundabouts, mini for the most part, within a mile of me that require a turn of more than 180 degrees, one much more than that's as you almost come back on yourself for one fo the exits.
A car that has progressive steering like the Cybertruck is one of the places steering wheel indicators can work as you can tune out truns greater than, say 160 degrees so the indicators are still in the same place relative to your thumb.
I think I read somewhere on here that it wouldn't be allowed in the UK? The point being that there has to be a mechanical connection to the steering at all times, powered or not.
If/when they do that I will be ready to accept I need to try it as it will probably be a none issue. But the Tesla way is to deliver out of sequence, remove radar before they had a vision only software stack, remove parking sensors before they had Tesla Vision parking, removea rain sensor before they had it working, you could even go back to when they dropped the Mobileye AP hardware a year ot 2 before they had an alternative.
I lived through a period of time when they switched side and it was a nightmare, but even then at no point did I have to think "if the steering wheel is turned more than 90 degrees I need to use the other hand"
I don't need to think either and have no issues hitting the correct button no mater if the wheel it at 0, 90, 180, 270 or anywhere in between.
That's not how muscle memory works, it requires there to be a repeated action relative to part of your body, if your hand and the button are not in the same relative position there is no muscle memory.
My parents both had BXs, god knows why they liked the air suspension inflating itself I think. It was a toggle mechanism, not something you could push in the same way as a stalk, it certainly took some getting used to.
Yes, but it's not required in the highway code to change indicator direction to indicate you are leaving a mini roundabout, you just indicate as you approach. No need to change while the wheel is rotated.
I am using Airbus for the last 20 odd years so it must be legal
Don’t worry, they can’t see your point at all and the more you make it obvious it is not an issue, the less support you will get.
From what I recall reading the reason why Toyota/Lexus was delayed last year was because China tightened their rules for steer by wire making them more stringent than the EU/UK so I think it will be compliant here.
