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So what happens when we have to start paying for our 3G data?

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I asked for, and received, my Slacker password from Tesla. I then went on-line and tweaked my high quality setting to the 320 kbit rate on the Slacker page. Since then, it *appears* that the music takes longer to load than it did before, and the sound seems a little better... so I believe I'm listening to 320 kbits in the car now. Or enjoying a placebo effect... ;-)

Stupid question, how did you do this? Send an email? call? It's been on my list to do for a while so I can enable explicit lyrics filtering (as others have done through the web interface), but I haven't contacted them yet to get the password.
 
In response to some of the original threads, Tesla is not actually roaming on Rogers network in the same way you roam away from home with a cell phone. They are using Jasper Networks to provide connectivity and Jasper has agreements with many service providers world wide including Rogers. Jasper is one of the leading providers for "Internet of Things" cloud services, primarily in the B2B market. The SIM connects to Rogers but the APN settings should be routing traffic through to Jasper rather than Rogers. The contract Tesla has is with Jasper and any terms of that contract would impact many more Tesla owners than just those of us in Canada.
 
In response to some of the original threads, Tesla is not actually roaming on Rogers network in the same way you roam away from home with a cell phone. They are using Jasper Networks to provide connectivity and Jasper has agreements with many service providers world wide including Rogers. Jasper is one of the leading providers for "Internet of Things" cloud services, primarily in the B2B market. The SIM connects to Rogers but the APN settings should be routing traffic through to Jasper rather than Rogers. The contract Tesla has is with Jasper and any terms of that contract would impact many more Tesla owners than just those of us in Canada.
That makes sense. And might help explain why data connectivity seems to flake on a regular basis.

Given that Rogers now has a deal with Telus (perhaps others) to roam smartphone users onto their network, I wonder if the cars do as well? That could be relevant as doing so with a phone will cause a call to drop and data transfer to stop while you essentially become a new node and IP on the alien network. I wonder if that causes trouble with Jasper...
 
It seemed that a couple of months ago coverage improved. I am guessing that could be because you can now use the Rogers-Ext network (which is Rogers roaming onto Belus) or perhaps Jasper now signed an agreement with Belus and so that you can use Belus' network to access Jasper.
 
It seemed that a couple of months ago coverage improved. I am guessing that could be because you can now use the Rogers-Ext network (which is Rogers roaming onto Belus) or perhaps Jasper now signed an agreement with Belus and so that you can use Belus' network to access Jasper.
I have no way to compare coverage area in my region as I haven't had occasion to go anywhere Rogers isn't already. But if you saw a coverage improvement, that would seem to suggest they are in fact roaming around like the Rogers phone subscribers now do.

Do you have an impression as to whether the data transfer issues changed at the same time too? Plenty of times I'll have full strength signal, see the '3G' appear and disappear, and have not data transfer. At one point, for 24 hours! No idea where the blame lies...
 
I also don't travel to areas with no Rogers coverage with my car, but there are some areas that have bad coverage - like an area on my drive home that I call the Black Hole of Willowdale. I am more going from hearsay.

That other issue is common and I get that all the time - there is a separate thread on no consummated connection despite being in a coverage area.

And on the Rogers-EXT I am waiting to hear back from someone in another thread who just had his/her Tesla in a part of Cape Breton Island that has Bell coverage but no Rogers coverage. It will be interesting to hear what he/she has to say.
 
And on the Rogers-EXT I am waiting to hear back from someone in another thread who just had his/her Tesla in a part of Cape Breton Island that has Bell coverage but no Rogers coverage. It will be interesting to hear what he/she has to say.
Please let us know what the result of that test turns out to be! That would ultimately confirm it one way or the other... I've tried checking for EXT on my phone, but haven't found a spot where I can be sure of what's going on.
 
In response to some of the original threads, Tesla is not actually roaming on Rogers network in the same way you roam away from home with a cell phone. They are using Jasper Networks to provide connectivity and Jasper has agreements with many service providers world wide including Rogers. Jasper is one of the leading providers for "Internet of Things" cloud services, primarily in the B2B market. The SIM connects to Rogers but the APN settings should be routing traffic through to Jasper rather than Rogers. The contract Tesla has is with Jasper and any terms of that contract would impact many more Tesla owners than just those of us in Canada.

Not quite.

Jasper, along with others including Ericsson, Amdocs, Synchronoss, etc... are part of the AT&T Drive platform. Each supplier plays a part, but the overall service agreement Tesla signed for their connected car agreement is with AT&T, and not Jasper. Google Tesla and AT&T Drive and you'll see. Tesla has similar agreements elsewhere on the planet. Telefonica comes to mind for some parts of Europe.

AT&T has roaming agreements with Rogers and others in Canada. Rogers is (and always has been) preferred, and where covered, your car will default to Rogers in Canada. Eventually when you drag out of the Rogers coverage area, you'll end up on TELUS/Bell's shared RAN ("network").

A common misconception with data is that faster = more expensive and that their is still some business sense and utility in keeping legacy (2G for example) technologies around (BTW, GSM, CDMA, and iDEN are all considered "2G"; packet data layers on top = "2.5G", such as GPRS, EDGE, 1XRTT; lastly, iDEN is just GSM with a proprietary air interface spaced for SMR spectrum originally).

Carriers benefit from more efficient use of their spectrum. One way of doing that is getting people on and off as quickly as possible. The longer a session takes, the more noise and interference is generated, and the slower and more congested the network is for everyone else. Not optimal.
 
Please let us know what the result of that test turns out to be! That would ultimately confirm it one way or the other... I've tried checking for EXT on my phone, but haven't found a spot where I can be sure of what's going on.
Here is the response - this is post 148 of the Canadian Road Trip thread (this is regarding service on Hwy 19 on the west side of Cape Breton Island and the Cabot Trail):
There were several places where the 3G connection was lost. You are right, the west side of the island was the worst. It worked in Cheticamp but when we headed out that morning (we were going counter clockwise on the trail) Google maps stopped working for 30 minutes or so. At the top of the island on the road to Meat Cove it came and went for a bit as well. It also dropped in a few other places for short periods but I don't recall specifically where.
 
Waiting for my MS 70D to be delivered. Spoke to my delivery specialist (in Toronto) about the concern of having to pay for 3G data. He said that he did not have information this and not sure if this would take place or not!

I think this thread is much to do about nothing. Tesla will do right by owners. Other luxury brands use connectivity as a profit center, and charge too much, I don't see Tesla doing that, and whatever it costs, the tech in the Model S is light years ahead of what I had before, count me happy.

I sometimes use my blackberry as a wifi hotspot (with LTE) to get faster browsing on my 3g equipped CPO S85. Nothing to worry about. In 10 years when 5g or whatever comes out, I'll get a portable wifi hotspot and leave it in the car.