Looks like Farmington, NM will get another supercharger. Good news
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Looks like Farmington, NM will get another supercharger. Good news
That's good, but I really hope they're looking at Durango and Cortez too! Not always convenient to go through Farmington...
I would think that the 550/64 junction would better serve the bulk of travelers through the area. I'm thinking of it from the Texas perspective where Bloomfield is on the preferred route between SW Colorado attractions like Telluride, Durango, Mesa Verde, etc. and all major population centers in Texas. Farmington, on the other hand, is a 15 mile diversion. You're probably thinking from the Phoenix/LA/San Diego perspective where you won't hit 550 until Aztec. Since the existing charger better serves the western traffic, let's share and have the new charger on the route for the eastern traffic...as if you and I have any say in the matter.As for the Bloomfield options, what would be the benefit of putting one there? Is the junction of 64 and 550 a more traveled path? It seems like it would add distance and time for the Gallup to Poncha Springs travelers.
While it would be nice to finally have more charging in Farmington, the eclipse was a one time event! Nevertheless, nine cars waiting two hours after the eclipse at the remote, tiny, four stall Farmington Supercharger Station was impressive:I see there was a long line at the Farmington supercharger (eclipse traffic); we need some activity on this second potential site!
Also, plenty of people who currently charge in Farmington would be happy to charge in Cortez, Durango, and/or Pagosa Springs. So assuming they build one or more of those, that will take some pressure off the existing Farmington site…I see there was a long line at the Farmington supercharger (eclipse traffic); we need some activity on this second potential site!
Yes. I couldn't do it, but longer range cars could do Albuquerque to Durango. If they hit headwinds, they could divert to Farmington.Also, plenty of people who currently charge in Farmington would be happy to charge in Cortez, Durango, and/or Pagosa Springs. So assuming they build one or more of those, that will take some pressure off the existing Farmington site…
We need 8 stalls at both by the end of 2024 due to all the other EVs that will charging at superchargers. (And blocking 2 spots at a time).Durango and Pagosa Springs also better serve people from the Denver area travelling south to those areas. My guess is we see one of those two in the next year.
We need 8 stalls at both by the end of 2024 due to all the other EVs that will charging at superchargers.
As discussed in the Kayenta thread, a Supercharger Station there seems unlikely for now.I'd like to see anything new in the Four Corners region, but it seems it will be a long time coming before I can get from Flagstaff to Cortez via the Navajo Reservation.
Good points.Agree with the conclusion that more capacity is needed, but I think the impact of non-Tesla EVs at Superchargers is a bit overblown. Tesla's own existing vehicles and growth is a bigger factor.
The good news is Tesla (rarely) installs smaller than 8 stall chargers so southern CO is likely to get your wish before too long, regardless.
To do a bit of excessively detailed thinking about this...
In the US, Tesla has sold about 2.1 million cars in total. As of 2023 Tesla is selling about 500k per year in the US. They hold around 50% market share, so everyone else is selling about 250k / year.
So, annually Tesla is growing the demand for Superchargers by about 24% and if every other EV sold in the US could use Superchargers that would only bump demand by about 12%. This is a big "if" though - not every other brand is going to NACS and the timelines for that transition vary.
Furthermore, not every existing Supercharger is opening up to non-Tesla NACS cars (V2s aren't and, presumably, Tesla doesn't have to open up stations with no excess capacity). Similarly, magic dock CCS adapters won't be deployed everywhere.
And there's a few more minor complicating factors:
- (As you called out) Some cars block 2 spots in some circumstances.
- Non-Tesla charging networks are also growing (pulls load off of Superchargers)
- EVs are getting bigger and need longer charge times (Rivians, F150 Lightning, upcoming CT), increasing load per car
- As the charging networks get denser you actually get higher throughput per stall. Sounds counterintuitive, but with more charging locations drivers can more easily arrive at the perfect state of charge for fast charging and not need slow deep charges.
I think most superchargers being built (especially by the end of 2023) are going to be either V4 or Magic Docks.
And, MOST (not some) non-Tesla EVs are going to take up 2 charging spots.
I really expect to get to a supercharger late next year, and I’ll find 2 Teslas, 1 Mach-E, 1 Rivian, and 1 Bolt. And it will be FULL. And the Ford+Rivian+Chevy will each be full charging for nearly an hour.