It will be quite amusing to hear the reaction of some of their most fervent supporters, SF apartment dwellers and others like them who must rely on local supercharging.
Thin ICE indeed, hehe!
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Supercharging rates go WAY up!
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It will be quite amusing to hear the reaction of some of their most fervent supporters, SF apartment dwellers and others like them who must rely on local supercharging.
Thin ICE indeed, hehe!
SageBrush
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For long distance travel, an efficient ICE is now cheaper to drive in my area. Home charging doesn’t play into long distance travel other than the first leg.
One of the questions I get frequently is how much it costs to charge on trips, and my answer is now going to be “the same or a little more than gas”. Not exactly a sales pitch for EVs being a full replacement for an ICE. Especially with the time sacrifice charging adds.
SageBrush
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You are exactly right. I purchased it because I do a lot of travel on the interstate, and now it cost more to drive than my car did. Very disappointed. I get terrible interstate range so my effective full range is only 70% in the winter. SMH. This is SO BAD all around. Bad bad bad.
SageBrush
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Recalculate.
Of the miles traveled in a day the first 300 miles or so are not from a Supercharger station
Garlan Garner
Banned
Price per minute? What in the world?
Interesting sentence still on this Tesla page. I don't think the pricing is correct. lol
Supercharging
"Tesla is committed to ensuring that Supercharger will never be a profit center."
Consumer here, don’t care about some supplier’s cost structure, just care about price and convenience to me, best offer wins.
The approach above is what built everything around us and will continue to do so, right up until we go full commie and elect to turn into Venezuela.
Yep, what a lie that was. You can't justify increasing the price to expand the SC network... It doesn't work that way. Expanding the SC network is part of selling EV's. If Tesla wants to sale more cars, they have to expand the network. Charging more $ to charge is going to drive away potential customers and people in certain markets that would use the car to travel on a regular basis.
Kant.Ing
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Maybe Urban Superchargers rates are cheaper then the standard ones in the same area. Not sure, but we will see...
Garlan Garner
Banned
There is a free destination charger about 1/4 of a mile from my job.
Someone purchased an electric scooter to get to work and leaves their car there "all day" to charge. There are 10 slots available. I wonder if they are going to start to fill up more now-a-days.
Someone purchased an electric scooter to get to work and leaves their car there "all day" to charge. There are 10 slots available. I wonder if they are going to start to fill up more now-a-days.
Garlan Garner
Banned
I like talking to people at SC's.
I guess the conversations are going to start to dwindle now. lol
Anyway....
Its interesting that Tesla didn't build these new SC costs into their cars - like they initially did. ( probably because they didn't have a viable SC network to charge people with ). lol
I guess the conversations are going to start to dwindle now. lol
Anyway....
Its interesting that Tesla didn't build these new SC costs into their cars - like they initially did. ( probably because they didn't have a viable SC network to charge people with ). lol
I do not get a full 300 miles before my first stop because of how the supercharger network works. On my last trip to Phoenix, the first stop was Indio, a mere 152 miles in. That was because the jump all the way to Quartzite was on the hairy edge at 270 miles with a steep climb in between. And coming home, I do not often get a home charger advantage as it is difficult to plan around destination charging in many locations. So on that same trip, my first stop on the way home after leaving the hotel was the supercharger, so the home mileage was all SC miles.
So I stand by my assessment of the costs. It’s even worse when you get into the Midwest with cheaper gas.
If I knew nothing about the history of supercharging and pricing, and someone asked me what SHOULD Tesla charge for supercharging, I would say:
More than the local electric rate, because:
1) the convenience of being able to charge on the road
2) the speed at which the electricity can be delivered to the car
Both of these things feel like they command a premium over the local electric rate.
More than the local electric rate, because:
1) the convenience of being able to charge on the road
2) the speed at which the electricity can be delivered to the car
Both of these things feel like they command a premium over the local electric rate.
This is just economics. Increasing the prices will reduce the demand. The supercharger network is being stretched by all the new Model 3 owners on the road. Tesla needs to incentive people to charge at home if at all possible. I think too many people are relying on local supercharging which is a big contributor to the problem of congested superchargers.
If Tesla only raised rates on people doing local supercharging there would be an even bigger uproar. However that's probably what should happen. People who live in Condos or Apartments need to be incentivized to fight for charging options where they live. Having everyone who lives in apartments or condos use superchargers is not only unsustainable, but results in a poor ownership experience as well.
Garlan Garner
Banned
Wait....I thought SC costs depended on the location of the SC. In other words. California and Hawaii costs are the highest because the cost of living is the highest in those areas.
OR
I thought that SC costs were a variant of local electricity prices.
They’re competing with the gas pump, not with the home outlet.
Yes, obviously, but Tesla is charging .31c per kw where they can according to their website. That would indicate a:
- 300% markup over some states rates (.08c - .12c per kw)
- Clear negligence to current efficiency with ICE vehicles (my ice vehicle is now cheaper and much more convenient to operate on interstate travel)
- Lack of reasoning behind the driving force of purchasing TESLA. I purchased because not only can I charge at home, but I can travel at a reduced cost than my ICE. A big deciding factor was I could go where I want, when I wanted, at a very reasonable cost (at the time 80% would cost $5.) I would not have purchased this vehicle knowing that It would cost me more AND be more inconvenient to travel. I was willing to live with the wait inconvenience, but now to be charged a premium to get KWs? What the hell.
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