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Tesla and Elon Musk are killing people for no reason and will never get close to producing a true AP

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Active Member
Jul 21, 2013
Tesla AP equipped cars have less air bag deployments (NHTSA) and lower crash rates (IIHS) than similar Teslas without AP.

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Almost a wagon
Aug 11, 2013
Tesla wants its drivers to let go of the steering wheel no matter what their legalese states.

Elon Musk would like to avoid accountability and liability

Elon…wants to convince his overly trusting customers to pay $5000 for the privilege to risk their lives as Guinea…also wants to avoid blame and liability

When Tesla hires you to speak for them I will un-ignore you.

Joe F

Disruption is hard.
Sep 19, 2016
Outside Philly
Well, if it takes the OP “6-45 seconds of time to gain the proper level of situation awareness to take the right action“ there’s your problem right there.

Some people just shouldn’t be allowed to drive, and should just use Uber. It would make driving in Pittsburg safer.

Laurel, clearly.


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Jul 24, 2015
Clark Co, WA
From the analysis I heard of that audio clip, the words "yanni" and "laurel" are both there at different frequencies. People who have poor high frequency hearing tend to hear laurel. Also playing the clip on a sound system with a strong base you will tend to hear "laurel". Children who tend to have better high frequency hearing tend to hear "yanni".

I heard a story on it in the car and I heard "ganni". I haven't tried with other sound systems yet.
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