Tesla hit with (yet another) lawsuit by Florida man (not THAT Florida man) for deception/lying about FSD capabilities

[2101Guy]

Tesla Full Self-Driving Lawsuit Alleges Marketing Is Deceptive | CarComplaints.com

A Tesla Full Self-Driving lawsuit alleges consumers have been lied to for years concerning the capabilities of Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features.

m.carcomplaints.com

 

[2101Guy]

Florida plaintiff Christopher Mallow filed the lawsuit after he purchased a new 2020 Model 3 Tesla Performance Edition in November 2019 and paid an additional $7,000 for the “Full Self-Driving Capability” option.

According to the plaintiff, Tesla has continually made deceptive and misleading statements about the capabilities of Autopilot and Full Self-Driving, especially on its website.

The plaintiff alleges customers have not received vehicles capable of “full self-driving in almost all circumstances," and that could “conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver's seat” and with a “probability of safety at least twice as good as the average human driver.”

 

[ATPMSD]

I am glad someone is going after Tesla, but if this lawsuit succeeds Tesla will get a well deserved slap on the wrist and the amount we get will be very small, as is typical in Class Action lawsuits.

I believe Tesla has sold about 1.5M cars and if we assume that half of that number bought FSD then the pool is 750K claimants. If Tesla settles for $100M about 1/3 will go to the lawyers, which leaves about $67M for the claimants. Divide that by 750K claimants and it comes to just $90 per claimant.

I think I'll buy some lottery tickets.

 

[SalisburySam]

I am glad someone is going after Tesla, but if this lawsuit succeeds Tesla will get a well deserved slap on the wrist and the amount we get will be very small, as is typical in Class Action lawsuits.

I believe Tesla has sold about 1.5M cars and if we assume that half of that number bought FSD then the pool is 750K claimants. If Tesla settles for $100M about 1/3 will go to the lawyers, which leaves about $67M for the claimants. Divide that by 750K claimants and it comes to just $90 per claimant.

I think I'll buy some lottery tickets.

Yeah, class action suits are for lawyers not claimants. But I think the estimate of 50% buying FSD is much higher than reality. None of us knows the actual figures but I’d be surprised if it exceed 15%, including subscribers.

 

[2101Guy]

Ive heard (not Tesla specific) of situations where persons opted out of class actions, but used all the evidence FROM The class actions, to file their own civil suits for decent amounts of $$. They essentially claimed their own damages (Ex: in this case would potentially be total cost of FSD + additional damages) and represented themselves using said evidence of the class action.

 

[Electroman]

I believe Tesla has sold about 1.5M cars and if we assume that half of that number bought FSD then the pool is 750K

The intake for FSD is suspected to be no more than 10%. So around 200K cars max.

 

[hitparader]

It may not be an accurate take rate, but TeslaFi shows about 25% of the fleet there have FSDb

 

[2101Guy]

Is teslafi representative of all tesla owners? Or just those who are Teslafi customers? (Ive never known the answer to that). If the former, I'd assume a very high rate of FSD there, as it would be more harder-core techies using TeslaFi vs the average Tesla customer

 

[ATPMSD]

It is really hard to find good data on the FSD uptake rate. This is from Forbes:

 

[2101Guy]

Is teslafi representative of all tesla owners? Or just those who are Teslafi customers? (Ive never known the answer to that). If the former, I'd assume a very high rate of FSD there, as it would be more harder-core techies using TeslaFi vs the average Tesla customer

I meant "if the latter"

 

[2101Guy]

It is really hard to find good data on the FSD uptake rate. This is from Forbes:

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Wow. Over 50% take rate in North America/Globally. Thats incredible..

 

[ATPMSD]

Wow. Over 50% take rate in North America/Globally. Thats incredible..

That was in 2019, of course.

 

[Dewg]

That was in 2019, of course.

14% in North America today.

 

[2101Guy]

Is the 14% purchase? Or combo of purchase plus subscription?

 

[Dewg]

Is the 14% purchase? Or combo of purchase plus subscription?

I believe it's purchase as the articles reference the increase in FSD price (such as the recent $15K). I haven't seen any data on subscriptions yet.

 

[ATPMSD]

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I believe it's purchase as the articles reference the increase in FSD price (such as the recent $15K). I haven't seen any data on subscriptions yet.

I doubt subscribers will be included in the Class.

 

[FloridaJohn]

It is really hard to find good data on the FSD uptake rate. This is from Forbes:

That data is from a self-selected pool, so take that with a large grain of salt. It's probably in the ballpark, but my guess is the actual take rate is lower than shown on that chart.

 

[ATPMSD]

That data is from a self-selected pool, so take that with a large grain of salt. It's probably in the ballpark, but my guess is the actual take rate is lower than shown on that chart.

On the other hand:

“There’s about 100,000 people in the beta, so it’s not tiny,” Musk said during his nearly-two-hour interview, “and we’ll be expanding that to, I don’t know, probably one million people, on that order by the end of the year.” - May 2022

 

[SalisburySam]

On the other hand:

“There’s about 100,000 people in the beta, so it’s not tiny,” Musk said during his nearly-two-hour interview, “and we’ll be expanding that to, I don’t know, probably one million people, on that order by the end of the year.” - May 2022

Aaahh, another Musk quote stating a timeline for delivering something. Obviously gospel, especially in light of previous similar statements.