How do I know it won't have collapsed in a year? I'll give you $20 for it.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Especially picking up kids at school. This is America.
@scaesare
since it's the weekend, may I suggest you can "see into a possible future among many versions" by just reading any of the 10's of 100's of 1,000's of hard science fiction authors who essentially write "if this could be true, then that might occur"
which one of the potentials collapses into reality?
_all_ of them, just not necessarily in this Instantiation
are AI's hostile, friendly, neutral, indifferent? yes
As long as attacker nicely aims at stainless steel parts and avoids the windows
GhostSkater
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Transaxle usually means that the shafts goes though the middle of the transmission, or in this case the motor
My eyes see the CV joints being on the same axis as the motor axis vc how a regular Tesla drive units is
This is a Plaid front drive unit with a traditional spur gear reduction, in red would be the half shafts for each wheel
This is how I imagine the new one, black is the motor, green planetary gearbox + differential, brown inverter and red drive shaft
Keep in mind it doesn't need to be planetary for it to be a transaxle, a spur works also, and allows for tighter packaging in a small vehicle, take a look at a GM Bolt one, it's basically that, the @15:00 you can see the transaxle part
By the way, if someone doesn't know this channel, they have hours of Tesla educational content, and goes way deeper that MunroLive since they aren't worried if you will buy something if you want to know more
I called it a niche on here. My opinion is based 100% on Elon, not only reiterating but appearing to dig in on stating that 250K will be the max production. If that is their plan now, it means either they don't think they can make it efficiently enough or profitably enough or, they are changing the direction of the company toward being more oriented toward autonomy then selling vehicles to consumers. I think it's both.I've been seeing a lot of people online lately stating how the CT will never be more than a niche EV, selling in very low volumes (like the Hummer EV) to attention seekers and tech bros only, because no real truck person would EVER buy a CT, and "Tesla won't ever make this ugly monstrosity at high volumes anyway". And "Ford and GM will easily sell many more of their EV trucks than Tesla ever will."
I think personal bias often gets in the way of rational reasoning for many people.
I also think this could be the opportunity Ford, GM and Stallantis have to stay in business. The three of them should go balls to the wall (sorry Audubon) to develop and launch electric trucks. The truck market has been their bread winner and Tesla has decided to let them keep 87% of that market.
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
Not sure that's a thing in UK so much, especially with electrics. I could see that with BMW or Mercedes private purchases, but less so with other makes. Very different system from USA. Dealers have little power (but still annoy me too much to visit, I tried it once or twice).
Private leasing/PCP was dominant (I believe, hard to get stats at moment). Leasing often done by non dealers, massive companies, all on Web, not normally many physical locations. Try ALD or leasing.co.uk
PCP / Leasing also possible at dealers, it may even be the majority, but my new cars were either company cars organised by company's fleet manager or private grey import from Germany (all done by phone from newspaper advert). Leasing company arrange bulk purchases directly from manufacturer or a dealer that offered cars with little profit (told less than $400 per car even for private buyers). Servicing / tyres organised by Leasing company. I think they picked up car, can't remember visiting dealerships.
Again for UK, but even more so in Rest Of Europe, electric company cars are common. One of the largest UK EV "company car" organisations is the National Health Service, one of the biggest organisations in the world. Most of the employees are female, although ratio at senior levels might be different. Even low paid employees can get Teslas by doing salary sacrifice. Pre tax contribution would save employer taxes and employee taxes (approximately 35-55% for employees) and probably includes insurance costs. No negotiation, few factors to costs, length of lease and mileage.
Few people I know have ever bought/leased new cars from dealers. Used cars that were fleet purchases are common, usually 3 or 4 years old.
PCP / Leasing also possible at dealers, it may even be the majority, but my new cars were either company cars organised by company's fleet manager or private grey import from Germany (all done by phone from newspaper advert). Leasing company arrange bulk purchases directly from manufacturer or a dealer that offered cars with little profit (told less than $400 per car even for private buyers). Servicing / tyres organised by Leasing company. I think they picked up car, can't remember visiting dealerships.
Again for UK, but even more so in Rest Of Europe, electric company cars are common. One of the largest UK EV "company car" organisations is the National Health Service, one of the biggest organisations in the world. Most of the employees are female, although ratio at senior levels might be different. Even low paid employees can get Teslas by doing salary sacrifice. Pre tax contribution would save employer taxes and employee taxes (approximately 35-55% for employees) and probably includes insurance costs. No negotiation, few factors to costs, length of lease and mileage.
Few people I know have ever bought/leased new cars from dealers. Used cars that were fleet purchases are common, usually 3 or 4 years old.
Knightshade
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You think people can afford Tommy Guns? In THIS economy?
Eh, sedans are already a niche market, high performance sedans are a niche of a niche... and I write that as someone who loves performance sedans. It'd be a nice offering, it'll draw in a FEW more guys still buying German ICE today, and it'll fulfil a promise Elon made back in 2017 but has not yet kept- but it's not gonna set the car market on fire.... and barring something much more radical than what has leaked (like a true adaptive magnetic suspension) won't tempt me to drop tens of k on trading in my perfectly working '18 Model 3 that's paid for either.
UkNorthampton
TSLA - 12+ startups in 1
Not how I remember. Assuming good prices....
125-250k will put massive pressure on ICE oems. Tesla will be determining prices as they do in China.
350-500 k will Osborne ICE alternatives except in niche roles. People will hold onto old trucks if used for work or switch to other vehicles rather than buying a naff luxury car ("Princess Wagon" as a much missed, old cantankerous git used to describe them). High price ICE trucks won't be prestigious. Low price ones won't be profitable, especially at lower volumes.
Fair point. I might argue that a truck that can resist an assault from a sturmgewehr is slightly more 'murican.
Captkerosene
Member
A good argument can be made for Mercedes being the company in early talks to license FSD.
- They don't sell enough cars to affordably develop their own tech.
- They are making an effort in EVs.
- Their customers can afford FSD - high take rate.
- They invested in TSLA when Elon needed their help.
- Their products don't have a lot of overlap with ours.
- Their customers expect the best.
- They'll be around for a while.
- We already have a factory in Germany.
That is all.
All facing forward for minimum wind drag. Easy pull, gonna a be electric someday.
Actually the CT did handle the iron ball a bit earlier in the day. That is why Elon and Franz seemed genuinely surprised at the unveiling of the CT when the glass cracked.
I knew Tesla's over the air updates were special when they updated the brake firmware on all early Model 3's after Consumer Reports published a report critical of repeated emergency braking. Elon intervened and about week later all the Model 3's were fixed.
I cannot understand these F1 races.
Just hand over the trophy to Ver-unstappan-aBull each morning, and save all that vroom-vroom noise.
He's the Tesla of F1 drivers.
navguy12
Active Member
Random guess as to “what changed” in the late 17th century probably involves burning coal.
navguy12
Active Member
This price thing really needs to be announced.
Case in point: friends of my brother have been waiting (after a $500 deposit last year) to get dibs on a Hyundai Ionic 6 from a dealership in central Ontario.
They finally got an offer from the dealership to buy one; my brother showed me a PDF of the actual quote that his friend emailed him for comments.
Out the door, the cost was $CAD 74k.
For giggles, I showed my brother “what does a Model Y cost?” via the Tesla.ca website.
One has to manually add the HST to the Tesla price online to make the apples to apples comparison, but the out the door price was just shy of $CAD 70k.
I had no idea what a Model Y would cost (as I’m not in the market) but after the live exercise, the results certainly caught my brother by surprise.
I’m sure at some near term future communications with his friends, he will bring up the point.
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There should be some effort to get the word out that one can get a Model Y delivered within two weeks for an out the door price less than the Hyundai product.
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