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Since we were just informed of the average age of Tesla owners, it seems Tesla has done just fine selling to that demographic.

I think not.

Tesla is doing well selling to people, like on this thread.

Over 45, wealthy and living on the internet.

~45% of American sales are in California and most of that is in Urban California.

This is a large group over 50,wealthy, and not living on the internet.
 
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I think not.

Tesla is doing well selling to people, like on this thread.

Over 45, wealthy and living on the internet.

~45% of American sales are in California and most of that is in Urban California.

This is a large group over 50,wealthy, and not living on the internet.

Note that there's a quick shift going on though:

PI_2018.03.01_Social-Media_0-01.png


If we conservatively define "living on the Internet" approximated by "Instagram use", there's a shift of about 5% every single year.

Put differently, here's the U.S. population's age distribution:

Knoema_Viz_of_the_Day_US_Population_by_Age_and_Generation.png


At the risk of over-simplifying the very complex topic of demographic trends: every year one of the large GEN-X columns of about ~4 million adults shifts over into the 'above 50' group and one of those large "Millennials" columns shifts to the right as well.

Every year another 4 million "new" young adults come in at the bottom. They start new families and buy cars on mortgage, and many of them have good income levels to support a $40k ASP car that is just $5k higher than the nation-wide average new car transaction price of $35k. About 15% of them are buying a new car every year, which means there's about 220,000 young U.S. adults buying their first car this year alone and about 7,500,000 Gen-Z and Millennials alone buying a new car - completely ignoring Gen-X, Baby Boomers, the Silent and the Greatest generations.

Every year another 4 million Americans become unable to drive and stop buying dominantly ICE cars.

The market that CNBC has great influence over: the 3 rightmost columns, and their market is shifting to the right and is probably reduced by ~4 million or ~4% every single year.

These are huge demographic forces that are there on top of the ongoing shift to social networks which is probably more than ~2 times faster than the natural speed of the demographic shift, and I think 2019 and 2020 are going to be the years when Elon's obsession over social media presence is starting to pay off.
 
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Confessions Of A Twitter $TSLAQ Troll | CleanTechnica
Elon just "liked" this article on Twitter. Suggests not engaging with trolls.

I've found that long discussions with these morons are painful as they twist everything you say. Now my policy is to refute the BS with some facts, then walk away from it.

Of course in Twitter now I don't see the crap they write because I'm on the official block-list, so I busy myself with spreading good vibes.
 
Of course in Twitter now I don't see the crap they write because I'm on the official block-list, so I busy myself with spreading good vibes.

The TSLAQ censorship list allows them to spread their lies faster: the first few replies matter, and the people most qualified and quickest to refute new TSLAQ tweets are the ones that get on the censorship list the quickest.

Another important feature of their blocklist is that Twitter is hiding it from you if someone you are following retweets a TSLAQ tweet.

Twitter's current design makes it easier to spread lies and disinformation faster, while protecting those lies from fast intervention by those would most effectively counter it - and it is why it's the main TSLAQ platform.
 
Note that there's a quick shift going on though:

PI_2018.03.01_Social-Media_0-01.png


If we conservatively define "living on the Internet" approximated by "Instagram use", there's a shift of about 5% every single year.

Put differently, here's the U.S. population's age distribution:

Knoema_Viz_of_the_Day_US_Population_by_Age_and_Generation.png


At the risk of over-simplifying the very complex topic of demographic trends: every year one of the large GEN-X columns of about ~4 million adults shifts over into the 'above 50' group and one of those large "Millennials" columns shifts to the right as well.

Every year another 4 million "new" young adults come in at the bottom. They start new families and buy cars on mortgage, and many of them have good income levels to support a $40k ASP car that is just $5k higher than the nation-wide average new car transaction price of $35k. About 15$ of them are buying a new car every year, which means there's about 220,000 young U.S. adults buying their first car this year alone and about 7,500,000 Gen-Z and Millennials alone buying a new car - completely ignoring Gen-X, Baby Boomers, the Silent and the Greatest generations.

Every year another 4 million Americans become unable to drive and stop buying dominantly ICE cars.

The market that CNBC has great influence over: the 3 rightmost columns, and their market is shifting to the right and is probably reduced by ~4 million or ~4% every single year.

These are huge demographic forces that are there on top of the ongoing shift to social networks which is probably more than ~2 times faster than the natural speed of the demographic shift, and I think 2019 and 2020 are going to be the years when Elon's obsession over social media presence is starting to pay off.

There is a difference between watching a linked youtube cat video your daughter sent you and using Youtube as your primary information source when buying a car.

"Not the internet" is not just CNBC.

"We own the future" is not a substitute for marketing today.
 
There is a difference between watching a linked youtube cat video your daughter sent you and using Youtube as your primary information source when buying a car.

Yeah, that's why I used "Instagram" use percentage as an (imperfect) proxy for "living on the Internet" and how fast this social pattern is spreading. We might argue about whether it's 25% or 30% of the populace, the important takeaway is that it's growing about ~5% per year, which suggests that "Living on the Internet" is spreading to older demographics as well and is converting more of the younger demographics as well.
 
Hello,

2 rather simple questions:

1) What exactly is meant with unwinding the wave?
2) Do the new tariffs in China since 1st of June apply also to Tesla? If yes, what is the percentage and for which deliveries does the new tariff apply?

Thanks for your help

Cheers
1) Tesla has always tried to fit as many deliveries as possible into each quarter to give good financial results, but this creates a lot of inefficiencies and is not cost effective - they need to produce overseas cars early in the quarter to get them on to ships in time for delivery by the end of the quarter, then spend the last few weeks producing cars for North America. This results in a big rush at the end of the quarter and inefficient use of sales staff and locations, and sometimes also requires expedited shipping costs when they are running out of time. It's also a bad customer experience. They are now trying to move to a more sustainable and steady model of supplying all markets more regularly without trying to achieve the largest possible number of deliveries in the current quarter. However, they have indicated an intention to do this in the past without ever really following up on it, so I'm not sure if they will actually do it or not this time.

2) As far as I can tell, the new tariffs do not apply to Tesla, at least not to complete cars (maybe some repair parts) - I used Google translate on all of the new tariff lists and could not find cars, vehicles, or automobiles mentioned, aside from some parts and a few specialised vehicles. China suspended increased tariffs on US-produced cars at the beginning of the year, initially only until the end of March, but then extended. I haven't been able to find any news articles saying that the tariffs have been reintroduced on cars. I suspect that the Chinese may be saving this as a response to further escalation by the US (e.g. if the US proceeds with tariffs on all remaining Chinese imports) so that they don't play all their cards at once.
 
Twitter's current design makes it easier to spread lies and disinformation faster, while protecting those lies from fast intervention by those would most effectively counter it - and it is why it's the main TSLAQ platform.

They also make very effective use of platform amplification. The bigger accounts retweet a lot of the smaller accounts and regularly make follow recommendations. It's very effective. I follow a bunch of bulls&bears on twitter and the bears consistently dominate my timeline. They are also very busy. It's amazing how even the slightest incident anywhere in the world with a Tesla, they'll be tweeting about it nearly instantly.
 
Thought's for the weekend.
IF your feeling mad/sad about these short term stock movement's....GO FOR A DRIVE in your miracle machine from the future.

IF you feel some effect from all the mud thrown Tesla's way from the usual suspect's......GO FOR A DRIVE in the best car you have ever owned.

IF you start to doubt the direction of this company and Elon......GO FOR A DRIVE in the ONLY pure electric car you can take anywhere.

I drove home last night around 11pm tired from a long day. I used NOA to help me take the stress out of the drive. When I step back and think about what the car does and how well it does it I am thrilled at the amazing opportunity's going forward. It is easy to loose sight of the continued improvement's in the car I own. I find myself slipping into that human condition known as "the way it is is the way it always will be" (not the scientific term) I find it hard at times to fully understand the amazing machine I own unless I experience it.

So for my final advice on this weekend:

GO FOR A DRIVE!

Sound advice. I was fortunate enough to get a firmware update Friday evening which gave me NoA - I was surprised as my car is AP2 and I thought NoA was 2.5 onwards.

Saturday I drove from Brussels, through France to Calais, over to the UK in the Channel Tunnel (Supercharging at Tunnel terminal building, of course), then to London, stayed overnight while one of my kids went to a concert at Wembley, then did the return journey on Sunday.

What can I say, NoA was amazing and I kept it on 90% of the trip - it even recognised we were in the UK and adapted appropriately. Yes, you have to approve the lane-changes, but this will be removed at some point, I imagine. That being said, it did one manoeuvrer on/off ramp without me having to intervene, putting the indicator on itself, doing everything.

Mad-Max mode with 7 car-lengths adaptive distance seemed to be the sweet spot.

Really impressive - anyone out there that thinks Tesla isn't ahead in the FSD race is completely deluded!
 
I was surprised as my car is AP2 and I thought NoA was 2.5 onwards.
AP2 is Model S/X, AP2.5 is Model 3. Only hardware difference is the interior view camera on the Model 3 (with an eye toward supporting use on TN).

Model S/X now bundles AP2 with FSD Computer (since March), and Model 3 is AP2.5 with FSD Computer (since April). Saves Tesla $$ vs. nVidia computer, and runs the current production NN just fine.;)

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Tesla Gigafactory 3 in Shanghai China (June 02 2019)Jason Yang • 215 views • 4:47"

 
They also make very effective use of platform amplification. The bigger accounts retweet a lot of the smaller accounts and regularly make follow recommendations. It's very effective. I follow a bunch of bulls&bears on twitter and the bears consistently dominate my timeline. They are also very busy. It's amazing how even the slightest incident anywhere in the world with a Tesla, they'll be tweeting about it nearly instantly.

Yeah.

Note that this gap in negative messaging versus positive Tesla messaging is not just due to Tesla disrupting a lot of the status quo, but also due to the asymmetric warfare the shorts are engaged in:
  • The most active trolls are actually short TSLA and are financially interested in seeing the TSLA price drop. The TSLAQ trolls active on TMC for example, and which were doxxed here publicly, and some who were doxxed privately were dominantly not true "opponents" of Tesla, but individual shorts and hedge fund managers:
    • They know it perfectly well that they are spreading lies and disinformation for financial gain, and that they are breaking numerous laws doing so.
    • They know it that short positions are a race against time in historically bullish markets, and they know the risks of limited upsides and unlimited downsides from short positions. When they go short they feel the urge to realize gains from that short position, with no limitation on methods used. A prime example was the nursebee troll who burned his many years old account in a final, blatant attempt at open fearmongering and investor rattling at a key price level he apparently found important.
    • Short biased funds also tend to be more focused on individual stocks, and they know it that they have to help make it happen: they are herding their trades at certain price levels (the 'icicles' @Papafox identified so frequently), they spread FUD and help make it happen in any which way they can, they magnify/distort any negative Tesla news, and they organize their disinformation campaigns with the tooling/scripting/organization required to pull it off, etc..
  • In contrast, the overwhelming majority of Tesla bulls:
    • Do not spread positive disinformation just to pump up the stock. Yes, there's positivity, echo chamber effects, sometimes at delusional levels, and bad news gets ignored and downplayed, but those are normal human emotional impulses, not a fundamental, calculated drive to manipulate others to increase the value of the stock...
    • Bulls/investors also know it that if they are right about Tesla, time will do the work. They know it that markets and the growth of human civilization is bullish on a historical average. They know that the downside is limited while the upside is unlimited if Tesla manages to carve out a healthy slice of the future EV and general transportation economy pie.
So yes, I actually think that Elon is mostly right that he identified the shorts as the major source of FUD - although it's certainly not the only source, plus it doesn't help that Elon and Tesla managed to alienate both the mainstream media and both political parties in the U.S. for various good and a couple of not so good reasons. ;)
 
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My wife and I are in the market for a Model X 100D. So I've been following ev-cpo the last few weeks very closely to get an idea of what cars are available and the pricing trends. I was really hoping to pull the trigger near the end of this month while the quarter end rush (and discounts) were happening. However, while I am there, I also keep an eye on the Model 3 and S inventory. What I have seen is that when Tesla adds inventory to the X and 3 list, it disappears VERY quickly. Both the X and the 3 will have a few dozen cars available occasionally, but, almost overnight, they are down to single digits. Either the same cars are coming on and off the list, or Tesla is selling a ton of these.

The S on the other hand does not follow the same trend. There are several hundred cars in stock, and the number stays high. It's looking like Tesla may need to significantly discount these cars in order to move them. With the new higher range (370) available and the long running rumor of a refresh coming, it looks like most people are either opting to order an S with 370 miles of range, holding out for the refresh, or simply not buying the S.

I wish Tesla would do 2 things (one is easy, the other is super hard) - first, upgrade the interior of the S and make it a total luxury, super high end car and [truly] only build them to order, making a nice gross profit. The full size sedan market is simply dead these days. Secondly, make a version of the X without the HEPA filter, falcon wing doors, AP, and other luxury items, and sell it for about $60k. There's a HUGE demand for vehicles like the X, but the $85k to $90k starting price of the X is simply WAY beyond what most people are able or willing to pay for a car - no matter how nice it is. I know people will say, "that is what the Y will be". But, some people want/need a bigger SUV, but just need transportation, not bells and whistles. That's where this base X comes in. Someone buying the Y for the $60k price range will be buying a more loaded version of the Y. It's 2 totally different buyers. I just can't see the person wanting a decked out Model Y deciding to get a "base" model X instead. I think you are basically covering 2 different type buyers with these cars (though I'm sure there is a LITTLE overlap). JMHO.
 
I wish Tesla would do 2 things (one is easy, the other is super hard) - first, upgrade the interior of the S and make it a total luxury, super high end car and [truly] only build them to order, making a nice gross profit. The full size sedan market is simply dead these days. Secondly, make a version of the X without the HEPA filter, falcon wing doors, AP, and other luxury items, and sell it for about $60k. There's a HUGE demand for vehicles like the X, but the $85k to $90k starting price of the X is simply WAY beyond what most people are able or willing to pay for a car - no matter how nice it is. I know people will say, "that is what the Y will be". But, some people want/need a bigger SUV, but just need transportation, not bells and whistles. That's where this base X comes in. Someone buying the Y for the $60k price range will be buying a more loaded version of the Y. It's 2 totally different buyers. I just can't see the person wanting a decked out Model Y deciding to get a "base" model X instead. I think you are basically covering 2 different type buyers with these cars (though I'm sure there is a LITTLE overlap). JMHO.

Here's a comparison table between the dimensions of the four form factors Tesla is offering:

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  car        length             width              height
  Model 3:   4,694 mm (100%)    1,849 mm (100%)    1,443 mm (100%)
  Model S:   4,980 mm ( +6%)    1,964 mm ( +6%)    1,440 mm ( +0%)
  Model Y:  ~4,830 mm ( +3%)    1,849 mm ( +0%)   ~1,643 mm (+14%)
  Model X:   5,036 mm ( +7%)    1,999 mm ( +8%)    1,684 mm (+16%)

Note how close the dimensions of a 'base Model X' are to the Model Y: only ~4% longer, ~8% wider and ~2% taller.

The most important metric for SUVs is generally their height: easier to get into and move around in - and in height there's only a 2% difference.

I.e. the size difference, with the exception of it being 8% narrower, would be difficult to notice in person. The Model Y IS pretty close to the base Model X without Falcon Wing Doors and other luxury features. :D
 
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Here's a comparison table between the dimensions of the four form factors Tesla is offering:

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  car        length             width              height
  Model 3:   4,694 mm (100%)    1,849 mm (100%)    1,443 mm (100%)
  Model S:   4,980 mm ( +6%)    1,964 mm ( +6%)    1,440 mm ( +0%)
  Model Y:  ~4,830 mm ( +3%)    1,849 mm ( +0%)   ~1,643 mm (+14%)
  Model X:   5,036 mm ( +7%)    1,999 mm ( +8%)    1,684 mm (+16%)

Note how close the dimensions of a 'base Model X' are to the Model Y: only ~4% longer, ~8% wider and ~2% taller.

The most important metric for SUVs is generally their height: easier to get into and move around in - and in height there's only a 2% difference.

I.e. the size difference, with the exception of it being 8% narrower. would be difficult to notice in person. The Model Y IS pretty close to the base Model X without Falcon Wing Doors and other luxury features. :D
What is the source for Y dimensions? Is it confirmed? So it is taller as X and longer than 3 (likely to accommodate 3rd row).
 
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Replaced tires on MX recently at Walmart: the skill pieces: jacking, balance and torque, were and are fine. Price? Small. MTCents J

I've bought my last two set of tires at a SC. Would not usually be my first choice, but no one else seems to be able to do an alignment. Cost of the tires is competitive and it gives me a chance to get the car inspected and any minor issues repaired under warranty. I go to Atlanta 200mi away but I have family there and other business so I can combine everything on one trip. Still, it would be nice to be able to get things more local.
 
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Here's a comparison table between the dimensions of the four form factors Tesla is offering:

Code:
  car        length             width              height
  Model 3:   4,694 mm (100%)    1,849 mm (100%)    1,443 mm (100%)
  Model S:   4,980 mm ( +6%)    1,964 mm ( +6%)    1,440 mm ( +0%)
  Model Y:  ~4,830 mm ( +3%)    1,849 mm ( +0%)   ~1,643 mm (+14%)
  Model X:   5,036 mm ( +7%)    1,999 mm ( +8%)    1,684 mm (+16%)

Note how close the dimensions of a 'base Model X' are to the Model Y: only ~4% longer, ~8% wider and ~2% taller.

The most important metric for SUVs is generally their height: easier to get into and move around in - and in height there's only a 2% difference.

I.e. the size difference, with the exception of it being 8% narrower, would be difficult to notice in person. The Model Y IS pretty close to the base Model X without Falcon Wing Doors and other luxury features. :D


For those of us who still think in inches.
Does the first table mean I have to buy a METRIC socket set to work on my 3?


Length Width Height

Model 3 184.8 +++ 72.8 +++ 56.8

Model S 196.1 +6% 77.3 +6% 56.7 +0%

Model Y 190.2 +3% 72.8 +0% 64.7 +14%

Model X 198.3 +7% 78.7 +8% 66.3 +16%
 
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