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I honestly have no idea how that article passed legal at wsj. I didn't see any ounce of evidence for such defamation in the whole thing. A lot of speculation and assumptions besides the puff on Joe Rogan which was legal in that state.

The most disappointing part is the lack of "street fighting" lawyers Musk wanted to hire. Start suing for all this BS already.
Playing Devil's advocate here:

Cannabis remains illegal, as a Schedule 1 drug at the federal level. The executive branch of the federal government hasn't done much to enforce the law since the Obama administration, but it is still enforced for defense contractors such as SpaceX. Personally I thought the overreaction to Elon's puffing Joe Rogan's blunt was hilarious but at the same time it was definitely an unwise decision and put SpaceX contracts at risk.

Regarding the other alleged drugs Elon has supposedly used...

Many "professionals" (engineers, lawyers, doctors, managers, academics, etc.) use illicit drugs, but choose not to openly admit it in public, for obvious reasons. It's not crazy unlikely that any given person has used these substances.

During an interview at CodeCon 2021, Elon explicitly said that "people should be open to psychedelics" and that he anticipates "greater receptivity to the benefits of psychedelics" in the future.

Ronan Levy: Hey Elon. I’m Ronan Levy from ‘field trip’. We spent a lot of time talking about outer Space, and I want to ask you about inner Space. And the question specifically is, do you spend time thinking about humanity’s somewhat destructive tendencies before sending people to Mars? And, specifically, you’ve talked about the subject of DMT, and curious to know what role you think psychedelics may have in addressing some of the more destructive tendencies of humanity.

Kara Swisher: We’re going to talk about this tomorrow.

Elon: Okay. Um, I think generally, people should be open to psychedelics. Yeah. A lot of people making laws are kind of from a different era. So I think as the new generation gets into political power, we will see greater receptivity to the benefits of psychedelics.

He expressed similar opinions on the Full Send podcast last year.

San Francisco was the epicenter of the late 1960s counterculture revolution in the United States. No shortage of LSD at that time. The Bay Area remains on the extreme end of the political spectrum regarding drug legalization, especially psychedelics. The Bay Area cities of Oakland and Santa Cruz, in 2019 and 2020 respectively, became the first two jurisdictions in the US to decriminalize most types of psychedelics, and they remain some of the only jurisdictions in the US and the world to have done so. In 2022, California's state Senate had a bill proposed that would have decriminalized all psychedelics statewide. The bill's lead proponent was Senator Wiener, who represents the district encompassing San Francisco. It didn't go anywhere, but the fact that it was proposed at all should say something about local acceptance of these substances. Also, University of California - Berkeley, UC San Francisco and Stanford are currently among just a few universities in the world conducting scientific research into psychedelic pharmacology and medicine.

Psychedelic usage remains widespread in Silicon Valley as well. Steve Jobs, for example, said:

"Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important—creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could."

Back in 2014, Elon was among those getting a sneak preview of the HBO show Silicon Valley, and he criticized it for failing to accurately portray the culture:
“...I really feel like [Silicon Valley director] Mike Judge has never been to Burning Man, which is Silicon Valley,” Musk said. “If you haven’t been, you just don’t get it. You could take the craziest L.A. party and multiply it by a thousand, and it doesn’t even get f***ing close to what’s in Silicon Valley. The show didn’t have any of that.”

Elon goes to Burning Man almost every year. Does attending Burning Man mean he himself has used? Not necessarily, and "guilt by association" isn't fair, but at a minimum it means he's been around other people doing it. It is not physically possible to go to a festival like Burning Man without at least observing some people using MDMA, LSD, psilocybin and ketamine. Solar City's origins started with Elon and his cousin Lyndon talking on their car ride to Burning Man in 2004.

Furthermore, the Musk Foundation in 2012 donated $10k to the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), which is the world's foremost philanthropic nonprofit organization whose mission is supporting scientific research, education, and legalization advocacy for psychedelics and marijuana. For example, currently they are undergoing Phase 3 trials with FDA oversight for usage of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy as a treatment for severe PTSD. Steven Mark Ryan, of Solving the Money Problem fame, has stated that one of his primary goals for his content creation and TSLA investing revenue is to make a large donation to MAPS, and his very first YouTube video was entitled Elon Musk's Psychedelic Secret, in which he lays out his reasons for speculating that Elon uses, or has used, psychedelics.

Elon also put a rave cave in the basement of a car factory. Nobody does that. Ostensibly it was an appeal to Berliner electronic music culture, but also again it indicates the Mr. Musk is someone who appreciates raves.

Also, two of the substances alleged by WSJ were psilocybin mushrooms and LSD, which are normally not included in drug tests such as those conducted by defense contractors on employees.

Furthermore, Elon is not religious. Statistically speaking, there is a strong negative correlation between religiosity and drug usage.

We also have this:

And this:
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In light of the context and the breadcrumbs I've seen over the years, I am pretty confident the Elon is at least very aware of MDMA, LSD, ketamine and psilocybin or has people close to him who use them, and fairly confident the he has at least tried most or all of them in the past. Could be wrong, but that's my best guess.
 
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Winning may not be the entire purpose. Theater of suing which creates headlines already gives you points in the court of public opinion. Then you drown them in so much lawyer fees that the clicks the article generated is no longer worth it. Repeat until they stop cause Musk has unlimited money.
Musk doesn’t actually have ANY money. He has stock in a few companies and any lines of credit he had are tied up in the Bird.
Agreed that musk should sue. it’s defamation, and as a CEO it’s almost stock-manipulation too. Elon should remind himself of all of the negatuve, slanted biased BS stories that the MSM has published over the years. It’s time to make an example of someone, and the WSJ have stupidly crossed the line by publishing a provably false story.
They are lucky I'm not elon. I'd have set aside $100m this morning to smash the hell out of the WSJ. Make it clear that they will be driven into the ground by constant legal attack until they get the darned message. I'd hire the fiercest lawyers and give them carte blanche to destroy the WSJ and everyone working there.
Elon plays far too nice.
He’s talked a big game about this “team of lawyers” but they’re no where to be seen
This really is ridiculous. It makes all our hair-pulling about ... everything fighting against TSLA ... into perspective.

Here's a post by Cern himself that puts a positive humanist spin on the crazy-tunes economics for TSLA:


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Anyone who loses their job to Optimus should learn to code
 
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The most amusing thing about drugs + testing is that marijuana is the only difficult one to get away with. People who caught a a second-hand buzz at Woodstock ‘99 would probably still test positive for THC in a hair analysis today, nothing else will show up unless you’re doing it in the car outside the facility before going to pee in the cup.

A&D testing is standard in my industry, I’ve done it about a dozen times, people gravitate towards the chemicals and harder drugs for this reason so the testing is almost moot except for picking up the most extreme users
 
The most amusing thing about drugs + testing is that marijuana is the only difficult one to get away with. People who caught a a second-hand buzz at Woodstock ‘99 would probably still test positive for THC in a hair analysis today, nothing else will show up unless you’re doing it in the car outside the facility before going to pee in the cup.

A&D testing is standard in my industry, I’ve done it about a dozen times, people gravitate towards the chemicals and harder drugs for this reason so the testing is almost moot except for picking up the most extreme users

Fentanyl is much more persistent in the urine of chronic users than most other drugs besides Cannabinoids. I'm sure Elon could get some nice clean H if that was his bag, though. 😵
 
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So what’s an “efficiency package”.


18" wheels and aero covers on the Model Y is my best guess, Maybe a 1" lower wheel size for the S and X vs whatever the current min wheel size is.

Next level would be more efficient tires on top of the wheel/aero cover change.
 
Joe also mentioned extra car carriers parked on standby.

He speculated that these are for the expected ramp in Model Y and Cybertruck production.

I counted an extra 10-12 carriers on standby, and it is a short trip to the Taylor railyard...

Indeed, here's a link to 25:32 and a screen-shot from Joe's video:

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People should be aware that Giga Shanghai has about 28-ish Semi's in their outbound logistics fleet, which transport finished cars to the South Shanghai sea port terminal (c.f. Wu Wa videos). So these extra 12 or 13 car carriers should about double Giga Texas capacity.

Note: you can see some of the originals trailers in the outbound logistics yard in the far distance, top-left of this image
 
The story had intimate knowledge of multiple board members expressing concern, including one who effectively quit the Tesla board because of the issue. It’s likely that at least two board members were sources which would be good enough for any editorial team to proceed with. Most of the story mentions corroborations from multiple people attending the same meetings and parties where Elon was acting irrationally or where Elon was consuming drugs, and also quotes Elon directly about his thoughts on drugs, including that he personally uses ketamine (which although he has a prescription for, is also a popular party drug when consumed in higher quantity).

it isn’t the end of the world if Elon in fact does have a serious drug abuse issue. If that is indeed the case, it can be solved with him seeking treatment to correct the issue.
There is a big difference between drug use and drug "abuse"...
 
Several of us have speculated that Tesla will end out offering a highly flexible skateboard-like architecture for the upcoming not-model 2 that would accommodate not only subsequent robotaxi but also a variety of specialist small truck/van/minibus vehicles. Kia just announced such options:
 
Playing Devil's advocate here:

Cannabis remains illegal, as a Schedule 1 drug at the federal level. The executive branch of the federal government hasn't done much to enforce the law since the Obama administration, but it is still enforced for defense contractors such as SpaceX. Personally I thought the overreaction to Elon's puffing Joe Rogan's blunt was hilarious but at the same time it was definitely an unwise decision and put SpaceX contracts at risk.

Regarding the other alleged drugs Elon has supposedly used...

Many "professionals" (engineers, lawyers, doctors, managers, academics, etc.) use illicit drugs, but choose not to openly admit it in public, for obvious reasons. It's not crazy unlikely that any given person has used these substances.

During an interview at CodeCon 2021, Elon explicitly said that "people should be open to psychedelics" and that he anticipates "greater receptivity to the benefits of psychedelics" in the future.



He expressed similar opinions on the Full Send podcast last year.

San Francisco was the epicenter of the late 1960s counterculture revolution in the United States. No shortage of LSD at that time. The Bay Area remains on the extreme end of the political spectrum regarding drug legalization, especially psychedelics. The Bay Area cities of Oakland and Santa Cruz, in 2019 and 2020 respectively, became the first two jurisdictions in the US to decriminalize most types of psychedelics, and they remain some of the only jurisdictions in the US and the world to have done so. In 2022, California's state Senate had a bill proposed that would have decriminalized all psychedelics statewide. The bill's lead proponent was Senator Wiener, who represents the district encompassing San Francisco. It didn't go anywhere, but the fact that it was proposed at all should say something about local acceptance of these substances. Also, University of California - Berkeley, UC San Francisco and Stanford are currently among just a few universities in the world conducting scientific research into psychedelic pharmacology and medicine.

Psychedelic usage remains widespread in Silicon Valley as well. Steve Jobs, for example, said:



Back in 2014, Elon was among those getting a sneak preview of the HBO show Silicon Valley, and he criticized it for failing to accurately portray the culture:


Elon goes to Burning Man almost every year. Does attending Burning Man mean he himself has used? Not necessarily, and "guilt by association" isn't fair, but at a minimum it means he's been around other people doing it. It is not physically possible to go to a festival like Burning Man without at least observing some people using MDMA, LSD, psilocybin and ketamine. Solar City's origins started with Elon and his cousin Lyndon talking on their car ride to Burning Man in 2004.

Furthermore, the Musk Foundation in 2012 donated $10k to the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), which is the world's foremost philanthropic nonprofit organization whose mission is supporting scientific research, education, and legalization advocacy for psychedelics and marijuana. For example, currently they are undergoing Phase 3 trials with FDA oversight for usage of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy as a treatment for severe PTSD. Steven Mark Ryan, of Solving the Money Problem fame, has stated that one of his primary goals for his content creation and TSLA investing revenue is to make a large donation to MAPS, and his very first YouTube video was entitled Elon Musk's Psychedelic Secret, in which he lays out his reasons for speculating that Elon uses, or has used, psychedelics.

Elon also put a rave cave in the basement of a car factory. Nobody does that. Ostensibly it was an appeal to Berliner electronic music culture, but also again it indicates the Mr. Musk is someone who appreciates raves.

Also, two of the substances alleged by WSJ were psilocybin mushrooms and LSD, which are normally not included in drug tests such as those conducted by defense contractors on employees.

Furthermore, Elon is not religious. Statistically speaking, there is a strong negative correlation between religiosity and drug usage.

We also have this:

And this:
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In light of the context and the breadcrumbs I've seen over the years, I am pretty confident the Elon is at least very aware of MDMA, LSD, ketamine and psilocybin or has people close to him who use them, and fairly confident the he has at least tried most or all of them in the past. Could be wrong, but that's my best guess.
Excellent analysis. Personally I would be shocked if Elon hadn't tried all the drugs mentioned and more. He makes a habit of being an "anything you can do I can do more extremely" kind of guy. But I would also be surprised if he has any sort of drug "problem" (meaning addiction). Although I could see him becoming somewhat dependent on anything that let him get more sleep. Lack of sleep is pretty disabling and disorienting when it gets extreme. Being clean when randomly tested just means avoiding the drugs they test for at the times they test.

As for the WSJ piece, I'm sure it's FUD so I haven't even looked at it.

But as for Burning Man, Elon's nothing more than a dilettante. I've been many times. Rich guys who show up to party for a weekend are generally despised and avoided by serious Burners. The event is fundamentally participatory, not for spectators. Off topic for this thread though.
 
Winning may not be the entire purpose. Theater of suing which creates headlines already gives you points in the court of public opinion. Then you drown them in so much lawyer fees that the clicks the article generated is no longer worth it. Repeat until they stop cause Musk has unlimited money.
Such action generates more publicity for the accusations. Usually a bad choice.
 
The most amusing thing about drugs + testing is that marijuana is the only difficult one to get away with. People who caught a a second-hand buzz at Woodstock ‘99 would probably still test positive for THC in a hair analysis today, nothing else will show up unless you’re doing it in the car outside the facility before going to pee in the cup.

A&D testing is standard in my industry, I’ve done it about a dozen times, people gravitate towards the chemicals and harder drugs for this reason so the testing is almost moot except for picking up the most extreme users
Maybe some hard drugs are more difficult to test for, but most commonly available drugs are known by law enforcement and tested for, at least over here. These are some of the tests the Belgian Courts impose to drivers caught under influence, to see if they should see revoked their license indefinitely.

Urine tests (parts in italics are tranlated with deepl):

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By means of a Drug-Screen-Multi Dip Test 10 E NAL von minden one can proceed immediately to the detection in the urine of substances referred to by the legislation on the narcotics such as cannabis, opium-containing substances and morphinomimetic derivatives, cocaine, psychostimulant and/or anorexigenic amines.
The Drug-Screen-Multi Dip Test 10 E NAL von minden is an exploratory immunochemical test for the qualitative detection and detection of 10 narcotics: amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, cocaine, MDMA/XTC, methamphetamine, morphine/opiates, methadone, tricyclic antidepressants and tetrahydrocannabinol.


2)
Drug-screen Tramadol 100ng/mL NAL von minden

3)
Drug-screen KETAMINE 1000ng/mL NAL von minden


Hair-analysis (this test spots opiates, cocaine, amphetamines and cannabis over prolonged periods (~6 months). Also alcohol use can read from this.

4)
The hair study is performed using ultra-high-pressure liquid chromatography coupled to high-resolution mass spectrometry (UHPLC-HR-MS). The hair is washed with methanol, pulverized with a ball vibratory mill, and 10 mg, after addition of deuterated internal standards, incubated overnight with a mixture of methanol acetonitrile and ammonium size buffer, then injected after centrifugation into the UHPLC-HR-MS.


There are also blood tests (such as the CDT test for alcohol use in the last ~6 days) but those are performed less since the added value is little compared to the above tests. Also CDT says very little compared to hair analysis.

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Maybe not all drugs can be caught by these tests, or urine test results can be tricked by taking certain countermeasures, but when they want to check you, they combine all the above testing and the result is a full fledged report (~10 pages) about the current and past few months intake of illegal substances (this happens on a daily basis over here, there is a shortage of doctors available for testing).
 
Maybe some hard drugs are more difficult to test for, but most commonly available drugs are known by law enforcement and tested for, at least over here. These are some of the tests the Belgian Courts impose to drivers caught under influence, to see if they should see revoked their license indefinitely.

Urine tests (parts in italics are tranlated with deepl):

1)
By means of a Drug-Screen-Multi Dip Test 10 E NAL von minden one can proceed immediately to the detection in the urine of substances referred to by the legislation on the narcotics such as cannabis, opium-containing substances and morphinomimetic derivatives, cocaine, psychostimulant and/or anorexigenic amines.
The Drug-Screen-Multi Dip Test 10 E NAL von minden is an exploratory immunochemical test for the qualitative detection and detection of 10 narcotics: amphetamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, cocaine, MDMA/XTC, methamphetamine, morphine/opiates, methadone, tricyclic antidepressants and tetrahydrocannabinol.


2)
Drug-screen Tramadol 100ng/mL NAL von minden

3)
Drug-screen KETAMINE 1000ng/mL NAL von minden


Hair-analysis (this test spots opiates, cocaine, amphetamines and cannabis over prolonged periods (~6 months). Also alcohol use can read from this.

4)
The hair study is performed using ultra-high-pressure liquid chromatography coupled to high-resolution mass spectrometry (UHPLC-HR-MS). The hair is washed with methanol, pulverized with a ball vibratory mill, and 10 mg, after addition of deuterated internal standards, incubated overnight with a mixture of methanol acetonitrile and ammonium size buffer, then injected after centrifugation into the UHPLC-HR-MS.


There are also blood tests (such as the CDT test for alcohol use in the last ~6 days) but those are performed less since the added value is little compared to the above tests. Also CDT says very little compared to hair analysis.

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Maybe not all drugs can be caught by these tests, or urine test results can be tricked by taking certain countermeasures, but when they want to check you, they combine all the above testing and the result is a full fledged report (~10 pages) about the current and past few months intake of illegal substances (this happens on a daily basis over here, there is a shortage of doctors available for testing).
It’s not “tricking” the tests in the cases of the other stuff, it’s simply the way the drugs are metabolized and eliminated from the body. I was being slightly hyperbolic, but the general idea is true.

NASA is surely not doing hair follicle testing and 10-page reports on federal employees/contractors, what you’re not getting out of this search is the practicability when doing this across entire sectors/industries. It’s a urine panel, they're also standard for employment in my industry, and the more sensitive tests you’re referencing here like hair follicle and blood tests are much more onerous + expensive and limited to extreme things like legitimate criminal cases and rehab stuff.
 
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Recent 'press' coverage of Tesla and Elon has been so ridiculous that TBH I dont think I can trust any website to inform me of anything without bias now. Every single story under a google search for TSLA is bullshit about drugs.
I think its not crazy to call 2024 as the year that Volkswagen, Toyota Ford and GM all start to collapse. Probably Lucid & Rivian too. There are clearly a lot of deep pocketed people watching their business empires get pulverised by Tesla, and they are realizing its just too late to catch up.
I look forward to videos on X of old VW and Toyota factories being demolished.
 
Recent 'press' coverage of Tesla and Elon has been so ridiculous that TBH I dont think I can trust any website to inform me of anything without bias now.

Larry Goldberg has an interesting theory about why media behave like they do - debunking Gary Black's logic - when chatting with Randy Kirk in this video (should start at the relevant part):