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The demise of the OEMs
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Knightshade
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Go way back and read more, William Deming is rhe master of Japans auto
W. Edwards Deming and the Origins of Quality Control in Japan on JSTOR
William M. Tsutsui, W. Edwards Deming and the Origins of Quality Control in Japan, The Journal of Japanese Studies, Vol. 22, No. 2 (Summer, 1996), pp. 295-325www.jstor.org
I suggest you take your own advice, because you're confusing two completely different things that both happened in Japan within a few years of each other (but Demming was the one who came later, and on a different topic
Demmings fame was about emphasizing quality- not efficiency-- He's considered the father of modern quality control-- not JIT manufacturing... whose father is Japanese fellow I already cited to you.
Indeed your own link is about Deming being a quality guy.
See also for discussing from deming dot org correcting your mistake here-- bold added for the most relevant bits.
Learning to Discern – Quality & Quantity - The W. Edwards Deming Institute
Post by Bill Bellows, Deputy Director, The Deming Institute "The basic problem anywhere is quality. What is quality? A product or a service possesses quality if it helps somebody and enjoys a good and sustainable market." W. Edwards Deming When our daughter, Allison, was about 3 years old...
deming.org
It explains how JIT was already a thing at Toyota when Demming began his lectures about quality in Japan- thanks to its father Taiichi Ohno, who again- was Japanese not American- but there were quality issues even though they were making things efficiently.... and that Toyota wanted to see about also implementing a quality system as Deming was lecturing about as well to address that... which they also did- but only after convincing Ohno-- who again, is Japanese and the father of JIT.
Hope this helps!
More China infiltration into USA
DeSantis' latest anti-communist campaign targets Florida schools linked to Chinese firms
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said that four schools, which state workers linked to the Chinese Communist Party, would not be eligible for scholarships.
www.usatoday.com
China is not innocent
This post, the demise of OEMs is China”s one area to attempt domination globally
Many aspects and areas of the attempts, many domains
Auto Bevs, farmland, schools, birth houses, retail
A small strip of stores in my villages downtown was recently purchased by the chinese
We cannot be ignorant in rhe USA
It’s more than BEVs, therefore we need the USA protections so that they don’t plow us down with their BEVs
Think Tesla competition is enough to make GM, Ford and other usa manuf better
But need the additional tariff on chinese BEVs
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
More China infiltration into USA
DeSantis' latest anti-communist campaign targets Florida schools linked to Chinese firms
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said that four schools, which state workers linked to the Chinese Communist Party, would not be eligible for scholarships.www.usatoday.com
I love that rather than admit you got the japan stuff wrong you pivot back to another thing where your evidence is Governor DogWhistle from Florida who presents no actual evidence of his claims just an "investigation" by a division he already controls and which refused to provide any evidence of any kind of an actual problem when news outlets followed up on this... The school- which is run for profit and whose direct operators are based in California (though the company is majority owned by a china-based private- not government- investment firm) runs over 220 schools in 19 US states, none of whom have been shown to have anything but typical state and federally approve standards-based US curriculums.
This is yet more OTHERING fear mongering and nothing else. You seem to keep falling for it.
In what way (that isn't just blatant racism) does ownership of a local strip mall matter by virtue of the nationality of the owners? Do you also not stop at convivence stores owned by brown people?
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I’ll clarify, organized foreign ownership by any country
Farmland, schools, stores, etc
This are not Chinese Americans
This is entities from China buying and weaving into the local economies
America Corp pops up McDonalds franchise to the Chinese govern asking to enter the market
The chinese govt evaluates and decides on joint or requester sole ownership
Like happened to Tesla in Shanghai as approved for requester ownership
McDonald’s is JV
www.cnbc.com
All transparent
The China activity in the usa is at times hidden
But you need to ask why?
Why the schools, why the farmland, etc
It’s obvious as a very long term plan of influence by a communist country in a democracy country
Keep our eyes wide open
Take action where necessary
Definitely no race card being played here
Farmland, schools, stores, etc
This are not Chinese Americans
This is entities from China buying and weaving into the local economies
America Corp pops up McDonalds franchise to the Chinese govern asking to enter the market
The chinese govt evaluates and decides on joint or requester sole ownership
Like happened to Tesla in Shanghai as approved for requester ownership
McDonald’s is JV
How McDonald’s won over China
McDonald’s opened over 700 new restaurants in China in 2022, an all-time high. It plans to add an additional 900 stores in the country this year.
All transparent
The China activity in the usa is at times hidden
But you need to ask why?
Why the schools, why the farmland, etc
It’s obvious as a very long term plan of influence by a communist country in a democracy country
Keep our eyes wide open
Take action where necessary
Definitely no race card being played here
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
In the case of the school it's an American (California based) company that a few years ago was purchased by a Hong Kong based private equity firm.
There's no evidence that firm has any direct operation or management of the schools- and they run hundreds of schools in 19 different states- nor any evidence of anything wrong with the curriculum or administration of those schools.
So why the fearmongering exactly?
I already demonstrated their ownership of farmland is incredibly incredibly tiny
Like- comparable to what a single rich dude personally owns
And that's ALL Chinese ownership, not "the Chinese government" but things like "a chemical company that has been US based and run for decades but if you trace back 6 investment bank owners you find some Chinese people own the group that owns their group that owns their group"
The % of schools that are in any way, however distance, "owned" by chinese people is similarly damn near a rounding error shy of zero.
Yet you seem TERRIFIED of this for reasons you continue to be entirely incapable of explaining in any way.
Why?
It's really, really not.
You can tell becuase you've given 0 evidence, of any kind, of any "influence" in that direction exerted by any of these people or companies.... nor HOW they would even do that?
If 0.03% of my turnips come from a chinese owned farm that convinced me to embrace communism....HOW exactly?
Yours might be a little too open- to where you're seeing things to be afraid of without even being able to explain why anyone should be afraid of them.
Then you'll need to provide some alternative explanation for your position.
Thus far you've utterly failed to.
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Back to this thread and the forum
www.businessinsider.com
China is kicking America's ass in the EV battery race and it's going to define the 21st century
In the war to dominate the future of technology, China is crushing America in one key area: building a better battery.
www.businessinsider.com
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Your medical #s appear to be either flat out untrue or based on faulty data- see here:
Where for example we find that while 80% of APIs do come from overseas, the most of those come from Ireland, almost 2x what comes from China
China DOES own Smithfield. But Smithfields actual company HQ and actual pigs are in the US.
And if your best argument is "CHINA WILL CONTROL US BY CUTTING OFF SYNTHETIC MEAT" then you...might want to find a better argument.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Why would I agree to disagree when your claims are objectively wrong?
Why would you STICK with claims I just showed you were objectively wrong?
Like instead of your claim 97% of antibiotics are from China, the facts in link show they're not even in the top 3 foreign nations supplying them to the US... (Canada leads by far- then India and Italy.... China doesn't even make up 10% of the supply).
I get that each time you're proven wrong you want to change the topic- but maybe you should instead reconsider the inaccurate info you were wrong about and think about how that might change your conclusions you drew from them now that you have better data?
If you can't apply proper critical thinking to any of this other stuff why do you think anybody should listen to you about car OEMs since you'd be likely to cite the same faulty data and draw the same indefensible conclusions if you're unwilling to reconsider your position when presented with new info on any topic?
But there is some hope for USA and batteries
www.popularmechanics.com
Hopefully Tesla refining can ignight usa homeland refining
A Caldera in Nevada Now Has the Most Lithium in the World. Let the Gold Rush Begin.
But mining the area is controversial.
www.popularmechanics.com
Hopefully Tesla refining can ignight usa homeland refining
Should I change the title of this thread to the death of the OEMs? Too much to link here - happening so quickly.
Mod: Keep politics out of here, and as of now "China is/isn't taking over the world" is politics. --ggr
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Tesla's rivals scrap for thin slices of US EV sales
Ford Motor's decision to hit the brakes on a planned $3.5 billion battery plant in Michigan highlights a challenge for Tesla's growing crowd of rivals in the U.S. market.www.reuters.com
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Toyota's August global output rises on stronger domestic production
Toyota Motor said global production climbed 4% from the same period a year earlier to 798,771 vehicles to mark a record for the month of August.
www.reuters.com
Toyota on track to smash its annual production record – report
Toyota looks set to break its annual production record, with expectations it will build more than 10 million cars in 2023.
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Toyota's Global Sales And Output Hit Record High in August Amid Robust Local Production
Toyota Motors (TM) global sales in August reached an all-time high, on the back of record output driven by enhanced supply conditions and heightened demand.