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Just the opposite. It is way past time to return externalities from shipping
I don’t think we have the technology or infrastructure yet.
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Just the opposite. It is way past time to return externalities from shipping
Okay, so let me stir the pot a little more. LOL
but seriously, I see several of you justifying that supercharging is more expensive than driving an ICE because of electricity demand charges etc. I’m certainly not going to argue that. But I do question it from the standpoint of trying to migrate America over to electric cars. Your average consumer is not going to do it if driving an ICE vehicle is more expensive. And PLEASE don’t get into another “charge at home in the middle of the night argument” not everyone can install a charger because they live in an apartment, or a rented house whose landlord won’t let them or simply can’t afford to install one, etc.
I think the utility companies need to revamp the “demand charges”. If half the country was driving electric, the demand would be huge!
Okay, so let me stir the pot a little more. LOL
but seriously, I see several of you justifying that supercharging is more expensive than driving an ICE because of electricity demand charges etc. I’m certainly not going to argue that. But I do question it from the standpoint of trying to migrate America over to electric cars. Your average consumer is not going to do it if driving an ICE vehicle is more expensive. And PLEASE don’t get into another “charge at home in the middle of the night argument” not everyone can install a charger because they live in an apartment, or a rented house whose landlord won’t let them or simply can’t afford to install one, etc.
I think the utility companies need to revamp the “demand charges”. If half the country was driving electric, the demand would be huge!
Battery tech needs to be a quantum leap from where we are... I am no longer as sure as I was before that all electric is the answer.
And PLEASE don’t get into another “charge at home in the middle of the night argument” not everyone can install a charger because they live in an apartment, or a rented house whose landlord won’t let them or simply can’t afford to install one, etc.
Safe driving....it's all about endurance...did a one stop from dallas to chicago once on a bet. An awesome canonball run west to east coast once for the Y2K NY eve. Someday I'd like to drive to Buenos Aires...yeah let me pull up that plugshare app. For long hauls...you need a real car. Tesla is just a toy for local thrills.
Calling EV batteries less polluting? Have you seen those places where lithium comes from?That, and building infrastructure is expensive. Even if Supercharging is merely a break-even venture, they need to pay back the cost to install the equipment. When I installed level 2 charging in my outdoor condo parking space, it cost me almost $5k (before credits/deductions, which were admittedly substantial). That involved a run of about 90 feet from the meter, half in conduit and half in a trench. Trenching, in particular, is expensive.
That's for a 240v wall connector! Given the scope of work, most superchargers probably cost $200k-$400k to install and some ongoing cost to maintain. There's also rent payments to the site to account for. If you compare Tesla's rates against networks that truly generate a profit (like EVGO), Tesla charges significantly less.
As to a comparison again driving your truck, well, that's why we need carbon pricing. When you can externalize the cost of pollution, a lot of things become artificially cheaper!
I got the same idea after owning ev for a year, and additional ecological issues with lithium digging make more sense now automakers push to hydrogen engines.Battery tech needs to be a quantum leap from where we are... I am no longer as sure as I was before that all electric is the answer.
...you need a real car. Tesla is just a toy for local thrills.
Have you seen those places where lithium comes from?
Calling EV batteries less polluting? Have you seen those places where lithium comes from?
I got the same idea after owning ev for a year, and additional ecological issues with lithium digging make more sense now automakers push to hydrogen engines.
Here in Florida with Florida Power and Light, I pay $.103(10.3 cents)per kWh. My 2020 model X lifetime average is 335 watts, so that is less than 4 cents per mile. For 140 miles it would cost me less than $5.60. Yes, Superchargers are higher. I have always thought all of Tesla cars should pay, not only for another revenue stream but to limit the number of cars using Superchargers that should be charging at home.
My original comment should have read:I don’t think we have the technology or infrastructure yet.
I don't know what the big deal is having to pay a little more than gasoline when supercharging, it's not like you're supposed to supercharge when commuting dialy.
My original comment should have read:
Just the opposite. It is way past time to remove externalities from shipping
Sure, but forcing them to use a more expensive source of energy when a cheaper one exists would not be doing that.
I imagine increasing the costs of shipping goods 2x would have a large negative impact on gdp for a good while.
We have a cheaper source. We just need to improve our infrastructure to use it. Think of the benefits if as part of an infrastructure plan we spent ~$100B on overhead cantilever lines to allow trucks to charge while driving on select sections of road. That would be an almost insurmountable challenge for a private company but not for the DOT.
So what's your idea of a real car? For any rational person in 2020 'real cars' don't burn fools fuel. Only morons and monsters burn fools fuel where alternatives exist. A lucid Air? Can you do the cannonball run on the EA network? What's your idea of a real car?
I agree no car is better but for those times you need a car I choose lithium. As a bonus it can be recycled.
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A real car is what +90% of the population drives. Battery tech needs to beat fossil fuel by leaps in EVERYWAY (convenience, cost, durability,etc,etc) to be meaningful...right now...it's a neat idea, not worth the extra effort for said +90% of drivers. I am all for cleaner energy, but current state is not it or sufficient.
EVERYWAY (convenience, cost, durability,etc,etc)
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convenience? Check
10 year cost of ownership? Check
Durability? Double check
What more do you want? Only morons and monsters use fools fuel where alternatives exist.