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Yeah, I've frequently been impressed with the quality of work over on CleanTechnica.
Were this garbage is coming from? He wasn't sidelined at any point of his career in Tesla.
After Tesla service he got cart blanch and took his time to design Tesla semi.
For equivalent-range/performance vehicles, If they're really good about streamlining and keeping the weight down, they might be able to pull off only increasing energy consumption by ~10-15% and component mass by ~15-20% (there would be a greater difference between 3 and Y than S and X because S is already larger than 3). Energy consumption translates to cost in batteries (for the same range) and the charger (for the same mph/kph charge speed). Mass translates to cost in the powertrain (for the same performance) and general build cost (although with respect to the latter, somewhat less than linearly).
But, Tesla's battery costs are dropping, their powertrain costs are dropping, and they keep doing things to improve their overall manufacturing costs (for the Y, their plans for the wiring harness are really interesting in this regard). By the time it comes out, I expect the Y to be quite competitive.
Dan Detweiler
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Monday's FUD/short headlines...
"In a desperate attempt to boost third quarter sales numbers, Tesla tries to rush deliveries in a factory free for all."
It will be spun and spun and spun and spun and...
I really wonder what those weekend meetings look like in the bowels of media outlets where they decide what next weeks headlines are going to be.
Dan
This is weekend OT, but let me indulge in this scenario.
I tend to agree with you, but I don't think that Musk is that kind of person: I think he does not have in himself to tell a big, "arrogant" guy as Joe "Please don't smoke that blunt in my face".
First, Musk drinks alcohol (I don't know how much, but he enjoys the occasional drink), and it's liberal about these kind of recreational drugs.
Second, Musk is fundamentally, at the core, the uncool, unpopular kid he's always been. He can be the most stubborn and obstinate person on the planet, but just on the things he believes, that he knows. He lives most of his time on an abstract/logical level, and if you tell him "you can't do it" based just on previous experience, and not first principles.
Elon was not at ease. He tried to be polite, to explain difficult things to a guy that didn't understand half of them, that has no proper education in physics/engineering/math, that always talked and talked and made jokes and poured alcohol and offered him weed. Joe is a jock-type, a bro-type: Musk is very much the nerd type (the brand-new billionaire nerd type, as Bill Gates was).
I actually felt bad for Elon at times. I think they connected just at the end, with "love is the answer" (joe is not an idiot, and didn't make fun of Elon for that).
I tend to interpret Musk's action treating him as a (very) high-functioning male on the autistic spectrum, and I think it's always helpful (if you're interested, read The Autistic Brain by Temple Grandin)
K_Dizzle
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If you follow the teslamotors subreddit Which has move folloMwers than most of the other car companies combined you’ll know that they’re screaming for a pick up truck. Also, Elon tweeted about asking for input on pickup features and the net went crazy.
Já sæll! $680M is some serious cash to get started on the factory. Given how cheap construction is in China, and how Tesla is just replicating their current lines... I mean, that's already a third of the estimated total cost to bring GF3 up to a 250k vehicles/day production rate.
So they are currently investing 680M USD, where did they get the money from? New bonds?
MOD: Likely local government investing, see above, fully discussed.
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Of course, but plenty is always relative. They do also need to pay payables and the bonds in February 2019.
So they paid the additional 680M this quarter? So Cash and equivalents might be quite low in Q3.
Mod: Not likely a problem. Fully discussed up thread. Also, you should know of likely source of funds locally, also discussed thoroughly up thread and some members kindly inform you downthread.
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I'm not an expert on this subject, but if they transfer 680M to Shanghai but didn't spend it there will be no change on the balance sheet.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Man, don't you recognize FUD from a Day One Commenter? Tesla was absolutely clear that GF3/Shanghai would be financed with local debt. That means one of the banks in Shanghai has released the first tranche of the that loan to Tesla's bank account in Shanghai.
No money is coming from Tesla Corporate to finance GF3. Please do not feed the Trolls.
K_Dizzle
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pz1975
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This is in Vancouver. Interesting they have rear-wheel drive Model 3’s available right now. I believe these are likely canceled orders that had already been sent and/or inventory cars they are replacing with dual motor performance versions for test drives.
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