UAW sends out organizers to unionize Tesla’s factory

[Red Sage]

The UAW has been trying to get back into Fremont since at least 2010, I think.This article gave early history on the UAW's hopes for access at Tesla Fremont...

UAW presses Toyota, Tesla to hire union workers

This gives the union's perspective as of 2013...

UAW Looks to Organize Tesla | 1853 Chairman.com

Here is another one from last year...

UAW wants union for Tesla factory

I think this is fun:

Yes. Even actual Socialists consider the UAW to be the worst!

 

[FlatSix911]

The UAW has been trying to get back into Fremont since at least 2010, I think.
This article gave early history on the UAW's hopes for access at Tesla Fremont...

UAW presses Toyota, Tesla to hire union workers This gives the union's perspective as of 2013...

UAW Looks to Organize Tesla | 1853 Chairman.com Here is another one from last year...

UAW wants union for Tesla factory I think this is fun: Yes. Even actual Socialists consider the UAW to be the worst!

That is interesting ... The 2013 UAW newsletter states:

Tesla purchased the plant for $50 million in 2010 and is hiring additional production workers according to its website. Starting pay is estimated at $16 per hour, which is in line with the wages paid new workers at Chrysler, Ford and GM under their current UAW contracts and equal to pay at Nissan and VW plants in the U.S.
Tesla’s website says its workers also are eligible to receive company stock, which has gained 411% during the past 52 weeks.

 

[brianman]

I think this is fun:

Sickening is the word I would use.

 

[Red Sage]

Sickening is the word I would use.

What I found to be fun was witnessing longtime UAW members realising once and for all just how sickening the behavior of their union can be!

 

[Red Sage]

That is interesting ... The 2013 UAW newsletter states:

Tesla purchased the plant for $50 million in 2010 and is hiring additional production workers according to its website. Starting pay is estimated at $16 per hour, which is in line with the wages paid new workers at Chrysler, Ford and GM under their current UAW contracts and equal to pay at Nissan and VW plants in the U.S.
Tesla’s website says its workers also are eligible to receive company stock, which has gained 411% during the past 52 weeks.

Sounds like the UAW is another group that wishes they had bought a big stack of TSLA back when Corey Johnson and Jim Cramer were claiming it was overvalued at $25 per share...

 

[FlatSix911]

Sickening is the word I would use.

What I found to be fun was witnessing longtime UAW members realising once and for all just how sickening the behavior of their union can be!

I wonder where all the money that GM paid to the UAW went ... certainly not to the workers.
Poetic justice ... Tesla purchased the old Union Hall on the 4 acres across from the Factory.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/...nion-teslabuys-the-old-uaw-union-hall-in.html

 

[SageBrush]

If Tesla's compensation package for these line workers is in-line with other US auto based manufacturing jobs then it is not in the self-interest of the workers to vote in favor of union dues, union politics, and union frictions.

I am not anti-union, but I do recognize that they are double-edged swords. I'll be really, really surprised if Tesla is a place where unions offer the workers more than they collect.

 

[SageBrush]

A little googling says that UAW members pay about 1.5% of hours worked in dues. I have no idea if the hour is pre-tax and whether benefits are part of the calculation.

 

[diesel]

A little googling says that UAW members pay about 1.5% of hours worked in dues. I have no idea if the hour is pre-tax and whether benefits are part of the calculation.

And look what those NUMMI employees got in return.

 

[SageBrush]

And look what those NUMMI employees got in return.

As if the union closed NUUMI. There is enough honest criticism to level at unions without including the deeds of the corporate employers.

 

[diesel]

As if the union closed NUUMI. There is enough honest criticism to level at unions without including the deeds of the corporate employers.

Even the ICFI call out that UAW had a firm hand in the closure of NUMMI: California: NUMMI auto workers railroaded into severance package - World Socialist Web Site
When an organisation founded by Trotsky is willing to call out the UAW on essentially railroading the NUMMI workers into unemployment you have to sit up and think.

At the time this occurred we were dealing with "New GM" which is 17.5% owned by UAW, so it's kind of hard to separate out the actions of UAW and GM when UAW is the second largest shareholders in GM behind the US Fed: A giant falls

 

[SageBrush]

Even the ICFI call out that UAW had a firm hand in the closure of NUMMI: California: NUMMI auto workers railroaded into severance package - World Socialist Web Site
When an organisation founded by Trotsky is willing to call out the UAW on essentially railroading the NUMMI workers into unemployment you have to sit up and think.

At the time this occurred we were dealing with "New GM" which is 17.5% owned by UAW, so it's kind of hard to separate out the actions of UAW and GM when UAW is the second largest shareholders in GM behind the US Fed: A giant falls

<<shrug>>
The UAW was looking at massive lay-offs at GM factories across the country and loss of pensions if they didn't agree to bailout terms. The workers accepted cuts in many ways from a position of weakness. NUUMI was an unprofitable venture and the GM management wanted to dump it into the cesspool of all their other crap ventures and losses.

That UAW stake in the new GM was funny money. Don't confuse it with decision making power.
And GM, from top management down to UAW, is an incompetent, corrupt mess that only exists because of the bailout.

 

[kort677]

<<shrug>>
The UAW was looking at massive lay-offs at GM factories across the country and loss of pensions if they didn't agree to bailout terms. The workers accepted cuts in many ways from a position of weakness. NUUMI was an unprofitable venture and the GM management wanted to dump it into the cesspool of all their other crap ventures and losses.

That UAW stake in the new GM was funny money. Don't confuse it with decision making power.
And GM, from top management down to UAW, is an incompetent, corrupt mess that only exists because of the bailout.

funny money?? do you know where that "funny money" cam from? I don't think stealing the bond holders rights and values to give to the unionistas should be trivialized like this.
this is one of the crimes the corrupt media never held the prior regime accountable for.

 

[SageBrush]

I don't think

I know you don't. If you ever awake from your your AGW denialist funk I'll consider taking you out of the ignore bin. Thanks for the reminder to take care of that to-do.

 

[diesel]

<<shrug>>
The UAW was looking at massive lay-offs at GM factories across the country and loss of pensions if they didn't agree to bailout terms. The workers accepted cuts in many ways from a position of weakness. NUUMI was an unprofitable venture and the GM management wanted to dump it into the cesspool of all their other crap ventures and losses.

That UAW stake in the new GM was funny money. Don't confuse it with decision making power.
And GM, from top management down to UAW, is an incompetent, corrupt mess that only exists because of the bailout.

OK so you are saying that UAW sacrificed NUMMI workers for the sake of the broader UAW base (see: Detroit).

Remind me again why it is a good idea for Tesla employees to join the UAW.

As for "funny money". Today GM is worth 56 billion USD. A 17.5% stake of GM is not funny money. That's $99,750,000 in dividends every quarter.

Dismiss it all you like, the UAW savagely ****** over NUMMI workers.

 

[shrspeedblade]

My sincerest hope is that Tesla treats its people well enough that they will laugh at any attempt by UAW to get them to join. And avoiding the modern union pitfalls for Tesla isn't even the highest priority in that hope.

It will be yet one more reason to buy from them-maybe to even be a lifelong customer and brand ambassador!

 

[SageBrush]

OK so you are saying that UAW sacrificed NUMMI workers for the sake of the broader UAW base (see: Detroit).

No, I am saying that management took advantage of the BK to dump NUUMI into the garbage pile (aka 'OLD GM' and the UAW was not in a position to argue.

Regarding the UAW 17.5%: The UAW accepted stock in the federally recapitalized company, and in return agreed to management demands of wage cuts, pension cuts, labor cuts, and NUUMI closure. It was (and is) one heck of a gamble but as I said earlier, they really did not have a choice. Then (of course) management was treated to hefty bonuses.

 

[SageBrush]

Remind me again why it is a good idea for Tesla employees to join the UAW.

Where in my posts is that written ?

 

[brianman]

Regarding the UAW 17.5%: The UAW accepted stock in the federally recapitalized company, and in return agreed to management demands of wage cuts, pension cuts, labor cuts, and NUUMI closure. It was (and is) one heck of a gamble but as I said earlier, they really did not have a choice. Then (of course) management was treated to hefty bonuses.

Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding the phrasing here...

Did the UAW (organization) receive the stock or did the represented employees (individually) working for the company receive the stock?

 

[diesel]

Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding the phrasing here...

Did the UAW (organization) receive the stock or did the represented employees (individually) working for the company receive the stock?

UAW (organization)