Anything in less quantity will get costlier I think. Parts for ICE cars for example - scarcity increases prices, and fewer service techs working on ICE cars eventually will enable them to demand higher pay. See this to be relatable to why Tesla parts are more expensive and repair labor costs too - fewer parts made available and fewer shops authorized and trained to do the work. With fewer ICE cars on the road, can’t see how gasoline prices will come down.
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Understanding PGE/SVCE electricity bills/TrueUP
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At the rate Tesla keeps increasing the price of its cars, people will be paying $100,000 for a Model 3 by 2023 hah.
The ~$10 charge that NEM customers see is a universal minimum charge, regardless of whether you are NEM or not. People that have part-time occupied properties also saw that cost double from ~$5/mo to ~$10/mo during their unoccupied months.
NEM 1.0 and 2.0 are both 20 year terms from PTO. Of course, the OAS (Otherwise Applicable rate Schedule) is not grandfathered and PG&E changes $/kWh rates 4-8 times per year.
I checked with Tesla re my Design which is due for install next month and finally got a response, see below
I think are suggesting that the 17kW system with 2 PW is adequate and no need to go for a third PW, is my take correct?
That response is not addressing the issue I was talking about. They are talking about the solar DC to AC ratio. I was talking about the solar AC power to Powerwall AC power capabilities. Two 7.6kW solar inverters with two Powerwalls (5kW each) is at the limit of Tesla's recommendation for solar to Powerwall. It is possible for the solar to overpower the Powerwalls when the grid is down. Adding a third Powerwall would ensure the off-grid stability of the system (7.6 x 2 ~= 5.0 * 3).
Did we ever learn if the new Tesla inverters with the Powerwall+ setups will de-rate the house is off-grid and the home & PW's cannot accept the AC output of the inverter?
I suggested above that he try to get that answer from Tesla, but they answered a different question. In theory, it should be very easy for a Powerwall + system to curtail the solar gracefully within the capabilities of the Powerwalls and the home loads when the grid is down.
If you can afford it now, I would strongly recommend you add the third Powerwall to the design. Looking back a year or two down the road, you won't regret it.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Just received my NEM true-up for 2021... $37.73 before the California Climate Credit of ($17.20) = Net Annual Electric $20.53
2022 will not be as advantageous with the transition from E-6 and the elimination of the retail rate credit for excess generation.
2022 will not be as advantageous with the transition from E-6 and the elimination of the retail rate credit for excess generation.
But you have Powerwalls right? Those should broadly offset any TOU pricing differential you experience by leaving E-6. And if you charge your neighbors like $0.25 per kWh to charge an EV instead of being a net generator, you'll still come out ok
Post #208 upthread, SVCE is changing their compensation model for excess generation to a less generous one - approx $0.06/kwh....
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Correct, here are the terms of the new SVCE rate program.
Starting May 2022, SVCE will pay two times the net surplus compensation rate (NSC rate) per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of any excess solar that is produced and put back onto the grid. The NSC rate is based on current market prices. The rate averages around 3 cents per kWh and varies each month. The means you will get paid more for excess solar with SVCE than if you were with PG&E’s bundled service. Income-qualified customers will receive additional compensation with a pricing 2.5 times the NSC rate per kilowatt-hour.
This change will only affect NEM customers that generate surplus electricity on an annual basis. The majority of NEM customers will see no change in their service. Until April 2022, SVCE will continue to pay customers at the full retail rate for any net surplus generation.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Great idea... the free market at work.But you have Powerwalls right? Those should broadly offset any TOU pricing differential you experience by leaving E-6.
And if you charge your neighbors like $0.25 per kWh to charge an EV instead of being a net generator, you'll still come out ok
Ah, excess on an annual basis. You still get retail credit for your NEM. I assume SVCE is a CCA?
In my area, we are getting opted in to a CCA. In my case, there are zero incentives to switch so I'm going to opt out to PG&E as much as I hate to say that.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Correct, Silicon Valley Clean Energy is a Community Choice Aggregation (CCA).
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Are your rates/bills actually lower than PG&E? In my case with the new CCA, the Peak and Partial Peak rates are lower, but the Off Peak are much higher. I have solar and powerwalls, so I use virtually no Peak. My bills would go upCorrect, Silicon Valley Clean Energy is a Community Choice Aggregation (CCA).
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SVCE rates are fractions of a cent per kWh less than PG&E after all the extra fees PG&E puts on CCAs. The energy they procure on behalf of their customers is carbon free and if you elect to the Green Prime $0.008/kWh surcharge, it is 100% renewable.
There is no valid reason to opt out of SVCE in my opinion. Your CCA may be different.
Which CCA are you with? What rate plan are you on? And what is you PCIA Vintage Year?
