Waymo

[mikes_fsd]

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They do not have to be in that order!

It is funny, so many ppl on here care about "disagrees".
@diplomat33 has a special private group where only those that agree are allowed... maybe you're looking to join that? @GlmnAlyAirCar

 

[Huskyf]

They do not have to be in that order!

It is funny, so many ppl on here care about "disagrees".
@diplomat33 has a special private group where only those that agree are allowed... maybe you're looking to join that? @GlmnAlyAirCar

Wymo dangerous car not for public use did you saw the last video !!!!

 

[Matias]

And that is based on what?
Their sandbox in a desert where the system disengages in the rain?!

Yes. Based on a fact that there are paying customers on the backseats of Waymo’s driverless cars at this very moment.

 

[diplomat33]

They do not have to be in that order!

It is funny, so many ppl on here care about "disagrees".
@diplomat33 has a special private group where only those that agree are allowed... maybe you're looking to join that? @GlmnAlyAirCar

What special group? What are you trolling about now?

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

They do not have to be in that order!

It is funny, so many ppl on here care about "disagrees".
@diplomat33 has a special private group where only those that agree are allowed... maybe you're looking to join that? @GlmnAlyAirCar

Wow I can't make an attempt at humor related to the obligatory disagrees he gets without getting shouted down with sarcastic comments.

 

[mikes_fsd]

Yes. Based on a fact that there are paying customers in Waymo’s driverless cars at this very moment.

By that example there are roughly 35% (take rate is from Troy's spreasheets) of all Tesla sales that buy FSD option anywhere from $5k to now $10k a pop.

We hit 1 millionth car in March 2020 (9 months ago) Tesla Builds Its One Millionth EV, and It's a Model Y
There are ~165k cars with AP1 or no AP hardware at all! (source Tesla Vehicle Deliveries and Autopilot Mileage Statistics - Lex Fridman )
Based on deliveries in Q2, Q3 and TroyTeslike projection for Q4 ... minus the 165k cars pre-Tesla in-house AP you have left about 1.3 million cars.
So, 1.3 million car x 0.35 take rate = 455k cars where Tesla made money (collected revenue for) from "paying customers" for the "Full Self Driving" at this very moment!
And remember, that ppl can buy the FSD option at ANY time after they take delivery.
So, the take rate (which is at the time of purchase) is on the low end.

 

[mikes_fsd]

Wow I can't make an attempt at humor related to the obligatory disagrees he gets without getting shouted down with sarcastic comments.

Wow, I even added the wink-face to make sure you would get the joke.
BUT IF YOU WANT SHOUTING, I can do shouting

Plz, grow up.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

It's not a waste of time if the person is walking out of the building and might cross the car's path. You need to track all objects around the car.

I can't see inside buildings. So obviously cars don't need to either.

A driver doesn't even have to track all pedestrians. You just have to track people who're walking in the road or who are near enough to a crosswalk that you might have to stop.

A dashcam takes care of the rest.

 

[mikes_fsd]

What special group? What are you trolling about now?

That was sarcasm about "folks that only agree" cmon now...

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

Wow, I even added the wink-face to make sure you would get the joke.
BUT IF YOU WANT SHOUTING, I can do shouting

Plz, grow up.

My apologies if I misread your emojification.....

But since you can't let this go please have the last word.

 

[diplomat33]

I can't see inside buildings. So obviously cars don't need to either.

A driver doesn't even have to track all pedestrians. You just have to track people who're walking in the road or who are near enough to a crosswalk that you might have to stop.

A dashcam takes care of the rest.

You need to track all objects near the car to know if they are a threat or not. Obviously, the car only needs to actually care about pedestrians whose path might be a risk of collision with the car.

This is getting silly. Waymo is not tracking people deep inside the store buying lettuce in aisle 10. That's not what we are talking about. But people who are in the entrance of the store walking out should be detected to see if their path is a threat or not. Of course, if their velocity would not take them near the car, you don't need to worry about that person.

 

[mikes_fsd]

You need to track all objects near the car to know if they are a threat or not.

Ppl inside a building, even near the exit/entrance are not "near the car".

When you exit a building you step out onto a sidewalk. Not onto a road.

 

[diplomat33]

Ppl inside a building, even near the exit/entrance are not "near the car".

When you exit a building you step out onto a sidewalk. Not onto a road.

If the car is driving past the entrance, it is near enough to the car.

Nobody is suggesting that the AV track people inside the building that are nowhere near the car. But sensors will detect all objects in their range and the computer will analyse the object's velocity and path to see if the object is a risk to the car or not. Obviously, if the car is still far away and the object's path does not take it near the car, then you don't need to worry about it.

This is common sense. Sheesh.

 

[JJRicks]

Hi it's JJRicks here, have been lurking here for a few weeks since YouTube backend stats told me where some of the views were coming from.

Just want to say I enjoy how hilarious these discussions are and thanks for posting them @diplomat33.
(Not trying to jump into this argument, but sensors gonna sense)

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

You need to track all objects near the car to know if they are a threat or not. Obviously, the car only needs to actually care about pedestrians whose path might be a risk of collision with the car.

This is getting silly. Waymo is not tracking people deep inside the store buying lettuce in aisle 10. That's not what we are talking about. But people who are in the entrance of the store walking out should be detected to see if their path is a threat or not. Of course, if their velocity would not take them near the car, you don't need to worry about that person.

It just needs to make sure that it can stop in time for pedestrians who are going to cross the road legally. So, it doesn't have to track all the pedestrians at all.

The camera and telemetry takes care of the rest.

Consider the following scenario:

You are driving down a road at legal speed. An person walks out of a building, staring at their phone. The person steps into the road in front of your vehicle. You have no time to react, and hit and kill the pedestrian.

The only thing you need there is a dashcam or a reliable witness.

 

[diplomat33]

Hi it's JJRicks here, have been lurking here for a few weeks since YouTube backend stats told me where some of the views were coming from.
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Just want to say I enjoy how hilarious these discussions are and thanks for posting them @diplomat33.
(Not trying to jump into this argument, but sensors gonna sense)

Thanks for posting your videos on youtube. They are very informative and helpful in seeing what Waymo is capable of.

Since you are in the car during the drives, please do not hesitate to clarify something on this forum if we get something wrong.

Keep posting more videos.

 

[mikes_fsd]

Hi it's JJRicks here,...
Just want to say I enjoy how hilarious these discussions are and thanks for posting them @diplomat33.
(Not trying to jump into this argument, but sensors gonna sense)

Hi JJRicks,
Thanks for the video's keep it up.
Since you're here, are there any rumors/info from Waymo on expanding the service within Phoenix any time soon??

 

[diplomat33]

It just needs to make sure that it can stop in time for pedestrians who are going to cross the road legally. So, it doesn't have to track all the pedestrians at all.

The camera and telemetry takes care of the rest.

Consider the following scenario:

You are driving down a road at legal speed. An person walks out of a building, staring at their phone. The person steps into the road in front of your vehicle. You have no time to react, and hit and kill the pedestrian.

The only thing you need there is a dashcam or a reliable witness.

If there was truly no time to react, that's one thing. But AV's have sensors that can see hundreds of meters away to hopefully give the AV time to react in most cases. The AV should still try to avoid the collision if it is possible and safe to do so. It should detect the pedestrian's path with enough time to react, detect that the path is on a possible collision course, detect that they are distract and try to slow down if possible to avoid a collision. Waymo, Zoox, Cruise all have vision capable of detecting distracted pedestrians for this very purpose.

 

[JJRicks]

Hi JJRicks,
Thanks for the video's keep it up.
Since you're here, are there any rumors/info from Waymo on expanding the service within Phoenix any time soon??

Not that I know of, unfortunately. I'll put it in a video if it does, though

 

[Matias]

Do we know, what’s Waymo’s plan? Are they going to stay in robotaxi service or are they going to sell their solution to OEM’s for regular cars for private use?