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All I can say is that all of the above work for me on a daily basis, except for Smart Summon which I've never used and Summon, which is simply a parlor trick for me. My car is a 2022 M3 LR EAP, and I believe it has USS. What year and model do you drive?

I understand the frame of your argument, but I see the analogy like this: FSDb or Autopilot is the swing set - the cliff's edge is city or highway traffic - the sign is the manual that tells you to use it safely with your hands on the wheel and in which situation each is designed to work.

I paid for EAP. NoA, Autosteer, Auto Lane Change and Autopark all work fine for me on a daily basis. I've tried Summon once in my driveway. It's just a parlor trick for me. If I was unable to get into my car in a parking lot because another squeezed me in, I'd try it again. I've never tried...

No, you see, that's the problem. Just because it's called Autopilot doesn't mean you can use it everywhere. Or are you talking about the wheel issue? I'm sure there are thousands of Tesla drivers who don't have an issue with wheel nags. I'm one of them. There are others who do. So, what is it...

I don't believe FSDb performance is a warranty issue. I'm not making apologies or excuses for Tesla, just stating what I believe may be true (without looking at the actual warranty at this moment).

Once again, AP/EAP is not designed to be used in non-highway environments. Simple as that...

A warranty claim is not necessarily an accident, anything else is speculation. We won't know until it's reported, none of us can say for sure.

Full Driver Assist would have been a more fortunate moniker, for sure, with the promise of a regulated and complete FSD at a not-defined future date. The moniker is a huge part of the problem and perception.

If no one knows anything, don't say anything. It's not helpful...as I said in a recent post, everyone seems to know everything about single-stack, FSDb's future, why the car did this or that, why a wheel weight is the answer, etc, etc...all pontificating by people who don't know.

Voice is safer than reaching over to hit a button

My reply in the quote you posted was meant to answer the use of AP on roads that are not specified in the manual, NOT about holding the wheel.

As I stated earlier, works for me 95% of the time. Read Dewg's post on page 1. 2022 Model 3 LR EAP

Why so many snarky comments? Every day, we have to wade through all the BS to get to any thoughtful discussion... Do all of you feel the need to reply so badly because you're not getting attention at home? Geez...

A combination of Autopilot following a bolder line on the highway plus see below...but this I didn't know ---> Tesla had no response? Driver in 2018 fatal Mountain View Tesla crash was playing video game, NTSB says "Cell phone records for Huang's iPhone 8-plus show he was active on the "Three...

I am glad to hear this. As I mentioned, it is "occasional" for them to experience and they told me about this 2 years before I got my Tesla. So as it is for many drivers, some cars experience it, others don't. I have experienced it once, but it wasn't a slam-on-the-brakes in NoA mode. I have...

NHTSA has found a few things they want fixed, end of story, but it's a big story "because it's a Tesla". And no, nobody knows what the V11 update will include, let alone the recall issue. Too much speculation on here...

Exactly, lots of variables and unknowns here...as in every reported crash.

Um, no...have you read the manual and guidelines? Automatic Emergency Braking is not designed to prevent a collision. At best, it can minimize the impact of a frontal collision by attempting to reduce your driving speed. Depending on Automatic Emergency Braking to avoid a collision can...

My friends with Chevy and Ford hybrids/EVs that have some type of TACC/AP semi-equivalent said they like it but occasional phantom braking is an issue and they've learned to deal with it.

Don't know how to answer that, except RTFM. Also, if a wheel weight is not supposed to be used for hands-off driving, why do people still use them? If you're required to keep your hands on the wheel, why do people post videos of themselves sleeping or having sex while driving? People do so many...

Or the driver is lying to save his ass. Remember the Apple engineer who fatally crashed into the gore section of an exit ramp? He was playing a game on his phone at the time of the impact...

It has NOT been determined if FSDb was engaged at the time of the crash. There are many headlines stating so, but it was based on the driver's statement, which may or may not be true. There has been no official finding from NHTSA and probably won't be for several years. An aside...there was a...

The Mercedes system is highway only, and not all highways, in Germany. It is essentially TACC, autosteer and lane keeping, and is hands-off. It's available for around $5,300 on S and EQS class vehicles, which start at $104,000 and are usually approx 135k-150k at dealers.

And the headlines are all about Teslas causing crashes... The company is upending the entire established auto industry and the "competitors" are afraid of what they're seeing. Forget FSD, forget EVs, forget the massive Supercharger network, forget the basic software (even without any autopilot...

It's useless to teach anyone here the names of the features or the proper usage of them... Also, everyone on the forum knows exactly what's going on in the Autopilot division, how they're being lazy and shuffling their feet on V11... Many of them are upset that Tesla hasn't responded with a fix...

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It has not been determined what caused the 8 car pileup in SF...

Used it 4 times successfully last weekend, all parallel parking on the street. 2022 Model 3 LR EAP 2023.2.0.5

Also, make sure that the speed limit sign is one that the car recognizes. It usually does not recognize yellow school zone speed limit signs or others that are not formatted in a particular way. Also, could it have anything to do with the fact that AP is not made for city street driving?

What would be the advantage/reason for going back to the production build?

I don't know what the problem is...I use NoA on the highway constantly and there are zero nags. 2022 Model 3 LR EAP 2023.2.10

Navigate on Autopilot doesn't work on city streets, it's intended for highway driving only. It sounds like you're on FSD (non-beta) if it's slowing down at green lights, etc.

There's a guy on youtube who drives FSDb through Manhattan, very calm, disengages/intervenes when he needs to...but I was surprised at how the software handled the most ridiculously marked streets, with bike lanes, bus lanes, cars and trucks blocking any lane, etc. Crazy, fun and interesting to...

I could never get the MyQ Smart Garage Control to work, tried everything, was on the phone to support (fantastic person, btw) but nothing could keep the Control connected to the internet...had strong signal, etc. Would work for a few hours and disconnect, sometimes would open the garage but...

Thanks, everyone...I'll wait until the versions are lined up. Btw, Tesla gave me a 2-3 day waiting period to cancel before charging me.

I subscribed to FSD yesterday and requested Beta. I have until today to cancel, so my question is as above. Maybe I should wait until Beta goes to 2023.2.0.5 (or wherever we are by then) to subscribe... Thoughts? 2022 Model 3 LR EAP

This is an aside to the OP's original question: I've noticed a lot of people here say that they use or have tried Autopilot on city streets. In my 2022 EAP M3 I can use TACC (no stop light/sign control, only "lead car aware") but it will not allow Autosteer. I thought this was the way it was...

Thank you!

Where is the local profile and how do you copy it to the Tesla profile?

My advice: RTFM

Sorry, but if I were on the jury, and the fact could be proven that he was on his phone, would be a hands down win for Tesla. Did anyone see the NYT article today that interviewed several Tesla drivers who were involved in various crashes? Several of them mentioned they were not paying attention...

Just so I understand...how was that possible in 2017-2018? I'm not being a jerk, I truly want to understand the past timetable of Tesla releases and capabilities. Here's an article from 2020: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-lane-changing-city-streets-coming-soon/

Here's an Ars Technica article from 2020 about the crash: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/ntsb-blasts-tesla-caltrans-and-nhtsa-for-autopilot-death/ The hearing determined that the driver was playing a game on his phone 30 seconds before the crash and had previously experienced glitches in...

Once again, there is a nomenclature problem here. Enhanced Autopilot will perform an Auto Lane Change , driver initiated or vehicle initiated, depending on the settings. At the present time, if you purchase FSD, you automatically get the Enhanced Autopilot functions. FSD does NOT allow lane...

You don't mean FSD, right? You mean Navigate on Autopilot. FSD doesn't work on highways...

My apologies...FSD (not FSD Beta) will stop at stop signs and red lights but it won't autosteer on city streets. However, AP/NoA with EAP is not usable on city streets, so I don't understand when you say they will stop. The only thing I know that works on city streets on an EAP-equipped car is...

There seems to be a major nomenclature issue here on TMC. Many people use the terms Autopilot, TACC, EAP, NoA, FSD and FSDb when describing their experiences and situations interchangeably whether they're aware of it or not. I wish people would use the correct term for their assist modes. None...

2022 Model 3 - 2022.44.25.3 Used it this afternoon, worked fine.

Once you hit the brakes, you’ve disengaged autopilot/NoA