Acceleration in 100D loaner vs. Ludicrous - disappointed. Any thoughts?

[tubaprde]

I drove a 2019 100D loaner for 1200 miles over two weeks. When I got my P85DL back it felt underwhelming in Ludicrous mode (max battery off and 85% SOC) vs. the loaner. Without max battery on it feels no faster than the 100D IMO. Does that sound right to anyone? Yes mine is very fast off the line and faster than the 100D in that regard, but from 20 to 50 or 50 to 80 the 100d pulls just as

 

[gaswalla]

yes, the P is faster off the line, but you are comparing a 100kwh battery to an 85kwh. After the intial 0-20, the non-performance models hold their own quite well vs the performance line up

 

[tubaprde]

Edit: I forgot to mention that the loaner felt fast if the battery was cold too! My car the battery must be warmed up good before it starts to pull hard and feels downright slow even in luda when cold.

 

[tubaprde]

yes, the P is faster off the line, but you are comparing a 100kwh battery to an 85kwh. After the intial 0-20, the non-performance models hold their own quite well vs the performance line up

ohh ok... i was always looking at charts like in this thread: Max Power vs State of Charge and Temp ...however, they don't list 100D just the performance models

 

[Destiny1701]

100D’s have a real world 0-60mph of 3.6/3.7 sec, without any heating of battery required. The P85D will have a slight initial off the line advantage, however 20mph and up, essentially the same.

The P also has to have ludicrous enabled and Max battery enabled to really achieve their 3.2sec numbers.

The 100D max power is quite impressive for a non P car.

 

[tubaprde]

100D’s have a real world 0-60mph of 3.6/3.7 sec, without any heating of battery required. The P85D will have a slight initial off the line advantage, however 20mph and up, essentially the same.

The P also has to have ludicrous enabled and Max battery enabled to really achieve their 3.2sec numbers.

The 100D max power is quite impressive for a non P car.

Why is it that the 100d can do 3.6 with battery cold? Also I put max battery on yesterday for 20 min of 30 min warmup and my car felt so fking fast lol. Doesn’t have to be in “ready” state

 

[SSedan]

The efforts Tesla went to differentiate the S from the 3 with you increased base options and performance really diminishes the value of the older cars.

I have a 2014 P85 and around when the 3 was rolling out they updated the 75D base car to be nearly as quick as my car that was top of the line a couple years earlier, and darn near the same range with AP hardware.

Yeah it kind of sucks that newer cheaper cars are a way better value, but at least they made improvements so come time to buy my next one in the future it will be a upgrade.

 

[tubaprde]

The efforts Tesla went to differentiate the S from the 3 with you increased base options and performance really diminishes the value of the older cars.

I have a 2014 P85 and around when the 3 was rolling out they updated the 75D base car to be nearly as quick as my car that was top of the line a couple years earlier, and darn near the same range with AP hardware.

Yeah it kind of sucks that newer cheaper cars are a way better value, but at least they made improvements so come time to buy my next one in the future it will be a upgrade.

Yeah it’s tottaly nuts how fast they innovate! I’m happy with the value of mine however, came with 50k warranty and 4yrs for $53.3k

 

[SSedan]

Yeah well I bought at the wrong time, bought a P85 in 2017 from a third party dealer. If I had waited a year I could have bought a CPO P85D for little more.

Cars are a waste of many anyway.
With the current performance of the late 75D cars and up I don't see those big leaps in performance happening again devaluing the slightly older stuff like happened to my car. Yes FSD will have some impact but I doubt it will be as drastic.

 

[Destiny1701]

Why is it that the 100d can do 3.6 with battery cold? Also I put max battery on yesterday for 20 min of 30 min warmup and my car felt so fking fast lol. Doesn’t have to be in “ready” state

I wouldn’t say it would achieve it with a ‘cold’ battery. More like a normal ambient temperature day. Ie. 16-18celcius

Also the battery charge would have to be 85% and higher.

But yes I’ve had P85D loaners and I own a 100D. I’ve found on average, the 100D doesn’t require any warm up period nor any loud fan noise to heat up the battery and achieve its max thrust. Sort of akin to a normally aspirated engine compared to a turbo which needs to spool and warm up I guess!

 

[BrokerDon]

Actually the Ludicrous upgrade cuts 0 to 60 ~ 0.2 seconds... and 0.2 (Max Battery OFF) to 0.5 (Max Battery ON) in the 1/4 mile:

Performance Gains after P85D Ludicrous Mode Upgrade

... and "found a noticeable increase in power at all speeds up to 80"

I don't have any data before or after from our January 2017 Ludicrous upgraded 2015 P85D+ but IMHO it definitely launches more brutal now... and definitely has more power at all speeds, especially in combination with the much lighter Arachnid wheels (replaced Turbines).

Any P85D should be faster with Ludicrous: Performance Gains after P85D Ludicrous Mode Upgrade

... and a Ludicrous P85D should be significantly faster than a 100D in any race from start to finish:

0 to 60:

• 2.9 seconds P85D
• 3.5 seconds 100D

This is where I would look for the 100D

 

[tubaprde]

Actually the Ludicrous upgrade cuts 0 to 60 ~ 0.2 seconds... and 0.2 (Max Battery OFF) to 0.5 (Max Battery ON) in the 1/4 mile:

Performance Gains after P85D Ludicrous Mode Upgrade

... and "found a noticeable increase in power at all speeds up to 80"

I don't have any data before or after from our January 2017 Ludicrous upgraded 2015 P85D+ but IMHO it definitely launches more brutal now... and definitely has more power at all speeds, especially in combination with the much lighter Arachnid wheels (replaced Turbines).

Any P85D should be faster with Ludicrous: Performance Gains after P85D Ludicrous Mode Upgrade

... and a Ludicrous P85D should be significantly faster than a 100D in any race from start to finish:

0 to 60:

• 2.9 seconds P85D
• 3.5 seconds 100D

This is where I would look for the 100D

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Hahaha love it! Yeah I love my car too man.