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Airbag Deployment Increased 59% after AP deployment (Fact Checking NHTSA)
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Indeed they are not.
As has already been explained to you, the data needs to be more complete and go to a level of detail that Tesla is unwilling to provide. Otherwise it's impossible to compare before and after, with like-for-like drivers and cars on the same roads.
Then again we might get some information from the investigations into more recent accidents. There will probably be a spike when the fake "full self driving" feature rolls out.
Sure, more data is not, but it's not like any driving data can have true control samples anyway. It's all aggregate incident rates.
However, you stated:
The proof of being dangerous (increasing accidents) seem easier to glean than exact situational safety improvements.
Do you realize that teslas have more accidents than other luxury brands?
Why compare a Tesla to a 1999 Honda accord with zero safety features driven by a 16 year old who just got his license? You dont see anything wrong with that?
Why compare to other luxury brands when the question posed is AP's accident rate (dangerous-ness ) versus non-AP accident rate?
If you want to compare to other lux brands, which have the performance of an S or X to use a data set?
Right, and Teslas with AP are not always in AP mode. My point on that was you'll never have two car go through the exact same scenario, so comparisons need to happen on a large data aggregation overall failure rate/ severity level.
The claim was that cars with AP are less likely to have an accident, regardless of if it is used or not. They convinced an insurance company to offer a discount just for having AP, even if you don't use it.
So this is very easy to test. I assume the results are very bad or Tesla would not have bothered to fudge the numbers and would have released the real data by now.
IIHS data shows that lane departure, FCW, and AEB do cut accident rates. FCW/ AEB is part of the AP functionality.
But AP being off doesn't relate to AP being 'dangerous'.
The specific claim is that having the AP option cuts accident rates. That is very easy to test if Tesla release the data.
Tesla have not released the data. We can only conclude that they are hiding something. There is no other explanation.
Third party IIHS confirms autopilot option cuts accident rates (measured by collision claims):
"compare losses for the Model S with hardware version 1 before and after Autopilot was enabled instead of comparing vehicles with and without the system over a specific time frame. The pre-Autopilot period included only the nine months of data after Tesla activated forward collision warning and before it enabled Autopilot.
In this limited analysis, HLDI found that the frequency of claims filed under PDL, BI, MedPay and PIP didn't change once Autopilot was enabled, but the frequency of collision claims fell by 13 percent." Fewer physical damage, injury liability claims for Model S with advanced features.
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