Totally.All M3 come with 4 pot front calipers. Only the pads are thicker on the M3P. So, is the caliper different? (Besides color).
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Totally.All M3 come with 4 pot front calipers. Only the pads are thicker on the M3P. So, is the caliper different? (Besides color).
Only 3 real benefits, you have to decide if the second and third ones are "real world" use condition or not:
1) track use, and even there, you need a brake fluid swap out (to prevent boiling) and harder pads for track use
2) cachet value - esp. when you pull up next to the 'Rari, Porsche or Lamborghini with big red Brembo brakes
3) for tweakophiles with money to spend on tuning, there exists an option for lighter weight rotors, saving about 7-8 lbs per corner due to lighter rotor hat, from RB in California. Downside: over $2k for front and rears, but you save about the same unsprung weight compared to getting VS Forged, wheels, which are even more $ at $2600+. So it's actually worth considering. My speculation is that with lightest weight alloys/tires, and this light weight brake rotor kit, we might see someone post a verified time 0-60 very close to 3.0 (from the significantly lower inertial mass on spinup). Not clear if this option available for standard brakes. Also, the rotors are way cooler looking, and may have some benefits in condition #1, given (at least advertised) better cooling of the disk from internal 'convergent vanes' design.
The big benefit with the Performance package is the 3.2 0-60. The brakes are just visual 'arm candy' to show you got the upgraded drivetrain, so that MB AMG 6.3 and BMW M series owners in the know don't try to street race you.
Wait, what? The rotors are 7-8 lbs heavier than low weight rotors? That's a lot! How about compared to the 18" rotors of the aero wheels, which in turn are 8 lbs lighter per corner than the 20" wheels. This really makes me wonder how much quicker the 0-60 time of the P3D- would be with stickier rubber on them, given the 16 lbs per corner weight savings compared to P3D+...!?!?
Wait, what? The rotors are 7-8 lbs heavier than low weight rotors? That's a lot! How about compared to the 18" rotors of the aero wheels, which in turn are 8 lbs lighter per corner than the 20" wheels. This really makes me wonder how much quicker the 0-60 time of the P3D- would be with stickier rubber on them, given the 16 lbs per corner weight savings compared to P3D+...!?!?
The bigger brakes might actually cost a little bit of range. I know the regular brakes were spec'ed to have no drag (piston seals more fully retract to reduce pad drag). I'm not sure the Performance brakes have that feature.
does anyone have experience using both the LR AWD & the P3d with the upgraded brakes? I have an opportunity to install the brakes from a p3d and was wondering if it was worth the trouble as ive read here that real world difference is negligible. Im hoping someone has experience with both and can chime in
coming from a bmw 3 series, my lr awd brakes feel extremely mushy and need to stomp on it to really get anything going. Car is only a few months old
thanks
They won't actually stop the car any shorter though- because the brakes don't stop the car, the tires do.
Yes, many of us dislike the stock brake feel. Strongly suggest swapping in Mountain Pass "Street" pads up front. Brake feel is still not that good, but it solves the issue just enough (to the point that it's no longer distracting to me) for only $200. Install took less than 30m total in my garage (most difficult part is finding a not-scary jack point).does anyone have experience using both the LR AWD & the P3d with the upgraded brakes? I have an opportunity to install the brakes from a p3d and was wondering if it was worth the trouble as ive read here that real world difference is negligible. Im hoping someone has experience with both and can chime in
coming from a bmw 3 series, my lr awd brakes feel extremely mushy and need to stomp on it to really get anything going. Car is only a few months old
thanks
WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGP3D+ brakes are not Brembo. They are just red.
Downsides: Restricts you to larger wheels. Most 18 in wheels won’t fit.
Have you ever heard of broad brushstrokes? Some 18 inch wheels will not fit and some will. So both his statement and yours are misleading.WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG