@scaesare I believe that @Electroman was making the point that unfounded speculation (the second sentence in his post) is not “news” and that Eric Berger did not engage in such speculation.
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Blue Origin - New Shepard
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Ah ok.. I thought that he was saying that Berger should have been above making such claims. Apologies if I misunderstood @Electroman
No, it is exactly the opposite of news. BO not sharing findings or progress is literally exactly what anyone who has any degree of unbiased understanding about how Blue operates would have expected from this situation.
No. Do not simply fabricate nefarious attributes in order to support a false narrative. This isn't Fox News.
Instead of emotionally double and triple downing (not dissimilar to your tact in the Artemis launch discussion...) I'd encourage you to step back and objectively consider the difference between what you wish would have happened in this Blue anomaly timeline with what a rudimentary evaluation of Blue's well established and documented MO clearly outline what was going to happen. Then, for funsies, layer on the colloquial definition of insanity. You'll come to the conclusion that I present no opinion here. Blue being tight lipped and taking a long time to say anything about this anomaly was the only inevitable outcome.
Now, if Blue came out and tweeted insightful investigation progress (a la Elon) or published a major report on their anomaly review...that's headline news for sure and I'll be happy to eat hat.
Sure, no problem. As long as the point of the article (or any reasonable permeation of reader interpretation) is simply an honest "I don't like the way Blue operates and they should change". As evidence by this discussion the subject article and its interpretation is...not.
Not sure why you are attributing my points to being "emotionally" motivated, when I'm stating that your attempting to make objective assertions about subjective things (i.e,- what "anybody of sound mind" must think) doesn't necessarily hold water. No emotion there, simply pointing out that fact that your categorical assertion isn't necessarily so.
Furthermore, I've not stated any "wishes [as to] what would have happened". Instead, I point out that your assertion that Berger's rehashing events of several months ago makes it un-newsworthy sensationalist journalism doesn't tell the whole story. A recent filing raised the issue again, and Berger points out the congressional requests and concerns where it is unknown if they've been complied with, despite a possible human launch.
Please explain how that is an emotional display of my wishes?
"Berger should really think about getting into tabloid journalism. Taking one old news event (some congressperson asking for transparency) and making it into a current article is more worthy of the Harry and Meghan saga than rockets." -- bxr140
Looks like opinion, no?
Unsure if your definition of opinion is the one other folks are using. Berger offers no opinion in the article I can see. It relates the facts of what has happened. Several people in this thread found that it of interest hence providing evidence that it was indeed newsworthy. In turn, those folks hold their own opinions as to if they like the way BO operates. But that's what news does, right?
Blue Origin continues investigation into New Shepard anomaly
Nearly six months after an anomaly on a New Shepard suborbital mission, Blue Origin says it is still investigating with no schedule for resuming launches.
spacenews.com
BO can't do anything quickly, so why would this be any different? Not to mention that New Shepherd isn't exactly a money making business. Less flights means less losses
Whereas when SpaceX lost the rocket on the pad during fueling, or the capsule during a pad test, they determined the problem with surprising speed.
But as @Cosmacelf mentions... they are in the business of actually launching....
But as @Cosmacelf mentions... they are in the business of actually launching....
Nikxice
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Just read the discussion of BO's propensity to remain secretive, so took another look at the Sept. 2022 launch video. They get points for showing their live feed, yet they were also quite prepared to keep any failure low key. Within a couple seconds of the anomaly, a different camera gave us only a tight closeup of the capsule. The booster disappeared for good. This was around Max-Q, which also coincided with throttle changes. While it appeared to be just an engine failure, suppose can't ignore possible high structural loads as a contributing factor. Not sure if anyone besides BO knows what happened to that booster after the camera cut away. About the breakup.....was there in-flight RUD or did it contact the desert floor still mostly intact? Either way, hard to fathom the puzzle pieces haven't given up some valuable clues.
Like the 60 seconds of radio silence that followed the booster failure, perhaps after 6 months BO felt it time to at least make some sort of a non committal public statement.
Like the 60 seconds of radio silence that followed the booster failure, perhaps after 6 months BO felt it time to at least make some sort of a non committal public statement.
I think you can't blame the FAA for delays with SpaceX when it takes over a year for them to complete a BO mishap investigation.
spacenews.com
FAA closes New Shepard mishap investigation
The FAA said it had closed the mishap investigation into a failed Blue Origin’s New Shepard launch over a year ago, but it is not cleared to resume flights.
spacenews.com
Fair enough, but the BO “mishap” involved a vehicle that had made several flights carrying humans and was designed for the purpose (even though there were not any humans on the flight in question) so that should be a more intense investigation in that respect, in contrast to the Starship IFT-1 flight of a vehicle which is many many flights away from having people on board.I think you can't blame the FAA for delays with SpaceX when it takes over a year for them to complete a BO mishap investigation.
FAA closes New Shepard mishap investigation
The FAA said it had closed the mishap investigation into a failed Blue Origin’s New Shepard launch over a year ago, but it is not cleared to resume flights.
I thought we had determined from Rocknado that the company leads the investigation (in partnership with NASA, FAA, NTSB, ...)I think you can't blame the FAA for delays with SpaceX when it takes over a year for them to complete a BO mishap investigation.
FAA closes New Shepard mishap investigation
The FAA said it had closed the mishap investigation into a failed Blue Origin’s New Shepard launch over a year ago, but it is not cleared to resume flights.
So the mishap report timing could be a result of Blue Origin tracking down the issues and solutions. The March update from BO was only the main failure cause, not the 21 mitigation items.
Eric Berger reports: How long will Jeff Bezos continue to subsidize his New Shepard rocket?
Berger estimates the New Shepard program costs BO about $100 million/year. Even for Bezos, that’s real money. But his ego probably won’t let him cancel the program.
Berger estimates the New Shepard program costs BO about $100 million/year. Even for Bezos, that’s real money. But his ego probably won’t let him cancel the program.
He'll cancel it just as soon as New Glenn is flying. But I think that $100 million a year is pocket change. His net worth swings by five times that number every day.
When I originally quickly checked in on this thread a couple of days ago, I thought the claim was that B.O. was $100Mil. That seemed low but didn't have time to read the article.
That's JUST New Shepherd. I wonder what the total B.O. burn is... I believe Jeffrey alone has committed $1bil/ yr to it...
That's JUST New Shepherd. I wonder what the total B.O. burn is... I believe Jeffrey alone has committed $1bil/ yr to it...
After 15 months Blue Origin’s New Shepard spacecraft will finally fly again
Taking some science and some postcards for a ride.
arstechnica.com
From that article:After 15 months Blue Origin’s New Shepard spacecraft will finally fly again
Taking some science and some postcards for a ride.
Wow. I had read it was about $1 billion a year. It’s up to twice that? I wonder how much longer Bezos is going to be willing to provide that support, as I question whether BO will ever be profitable. Or maybe that isn’t the plan…
With his current $170 billion, he could fund BO for another 80 years. I expect the money making rocket to launch within another year or two.
