Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Stupid question? How does vision only work on a dark mountain road with a new moon?
Clever new technology called headlights.
Same way your eyes work in those situations.
You can install our site as a web app on your iOS device by utilizing the Add to Home Screen feature in Safari. Please see this thread for more details on this.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Stupid question? How does vision only work on a dark mountain road with a new moon?
Yeah, the high beams have to be turned on automatically. If those somehow fail to work properly, you might get into trouble. If there is an oncoming vehicle, the high beams DO have to be turned off. God forbid, if there is a coincident situation on the road the same time, causing the system to fail.Clever new technology called headlights.
Same way your eyes work in those situations.
Yeah, the high beams have to be turned on automatically. If those somehow fail to work properly, you might get into trouble. If there is an oncoming vehicle, the high beams DO have to be turned off. God forbid, if there is a coincident situation on the road the same time, causing the system to fail.
A radar could see without needing the high beams. It’s also behind the bumper, shielding it from the elements.So...just like if your headlights failed on manual driving at night.
Except with the benefit of the vehicle still being able to see in every direction at once, which a human can't, using lights from anyone elses headlights.
Or is your doomsday scenario going to involve an EMP now that takes out EVERYONES headlights at once?
A radar could see without needing the high beams
. It’s also behind the bumper, shielding it from the elements.
Removal of this safety element to save a few bucks? Nice technological ‘progress’, ain’t it.
And no, not like my headlights failed at night, only the high beams. You ignored the part when I said they DO have to be turned off for oncoming vehicles.[/QUIOTE]
Why would that matter?
The same is true when manually driving... the system can operate with normal headlights too BTW-- in fact you can manually turn the high beams off after activating AP and it continues working.
I can understand your enthusiasm for anything Tesla, but it’s polluting your common sense.
Projection is a thing my dude
BTW how does seeing in every direction using other’s lights work?
Seriously, those are headlights that glare right in the camera when nearby, and when far away, ineffective in revealing things.
I am curious, genuinely, to understand what black magic Tesla has in its system that will see in ‘every direction at night’ using other’s headlights.
Quite poorly though- vehicle radar resolution is exceedingly low.
It'd be insanely dangerous to try driving solely using that.
Tell that to the tons of folks whose unheated radar has issues when there's snow on it.
You continue to not understand why it was removed.
Go re-watch AI day. The guy in charge of the team explained it in considerable detail.
It was removed because it was hurting performance by forcing them to fuse a one-direction, low refresh, low resolution, signal with 8 camera feeds.
....again... the same way your EYES would.
Except the camera system gets to have eyes in every direction at once.
Really unsure how you keep getting confused by how light and vision work.
This is simply not true.
If it were, all the dashcam footage at night would be unviewable and the system wouldn't work at all.
Again you appear unclear on how basic light or vision work.
Go stand near a highway at night (safely out of traffic of course).
Can you see things on the road with the light from OTHER cars headlights?
WOW BLACK MAGIC!!!!
Possibly you should study some really basic stuff about normal human vision before trying to understand computer visio
....again... the same way your EYES would.
Except the camera system gets to have eyes in every direction at once.
Really unsure how you keep getting confused by how light and vision work.
This is simply not true.
If it were, all the dashcam footage at night would be unviewable and the system wouldn't work at all.
Again you appear unclear on how basic light or vision work.
Go stand near a highway at night (safely out of traffic of course).
Can you see things on the road with the light from OTHER cars headlights?
WOW BLACK MAGIC!!!!
Possibly you should study some really basic stuff about normal human vision before trying to understand computer vision?
I cannot distinguish an object in the foreground If the lights were glaring right in my eyes. I should study ‘some basic normal human vision stuff‘ eh?....again... the same way your EYES would.
Except the camera system gets to have eyes in every direction at once.
Really unsure how you keep getting confused by how light and vision work.
This is simply not true.
If it were, all the dashcam footage at night would be unviewable and the system wouldn't work at all.
Again you appear unclear on how basic light or vision work.
Go stand near a highway at night (safely out of traffic of course).
Can you see things on the road with the light from OTHER cars headlights?
WOW BLACK MAGIC!!!!
Possibly you should study some really basic stuff about normal human vision before trying to understand computer vision?
I cannot distinguish an object in the foreground If the lights were glaring right in my eyes.
I should study ‘some basic normal human vision stuff‘ eh?
Radar resolution is not important to what it’s supposed to do. Detect impediments on the road. I did not suggest driving only with the radar, completely missing my point. Point was that radar added a level of redundancy. Taking that out, can potentially make the system perform worse. It is not just me, there are many ADAS experts who say the same thing.Quite poorly though- vehicle radar resolution is exceedingly low.
It'd be insanely dangerous to try driving solely using that.
Tell that to the tons of folks whose unheated radar has issues when there's snow on it.
You continue to not understand why it was removed.
Go re-watch AI day. The guy in charge of the team explained it in considerable detail.
It was removed because it was hurting performance by forcing them to fuse a one-direction, low refresh, low resolution, signal with 8 camera feeds.
Radar resolution is not important to what it’s supposed to do.
Regarding hurting performance - they can spin it any way they want. I don’t buy that it was hurting the performance.
Come to my garage. I’ll illuminate you.Which isn't at all what's happening to the cameras on the car.
For the third time now.
Just view some nighttime dashcam footage and note how the cameras ARE NOT PERPETUALLY BLINDED BY HEADLIGHTS.
Pretty clearly, yes.
I note you've got 30 posts on these forums, ever, and nearly 25 of em are about how Tesla sucks. Weird you would have, as you claimed, bought 2 of em if they're as awful as you seem to think.
Then again you keep claiming things any actual owner would know isn't true (like how any headlights blind all the cameras for example)
I am a Tesla fan since 2007, when you were probably in High School.
Problem with fans like you is, they think anyone who critiques Tesla must be anti-Tesla, and the only way to support Tesla is to swallow everything they do and say wholesale, at face value.
Anyway, I am done, like I said.
Useless to argue with you.
Your eyes can fail also while you are driving. Or you get blinded by a high beam. Nothing in life is perfect. Just like how the radar gets blocked by snow ALL THE TIME.Yeah, the high beams have to be turned on automatically. If those somehow fail to work properly, you might get into trouble. If there is an oncoming vehicle, the high beams DO have to be turned off. God forbid, if there is a coincident situation on the road the same time, causing the system to fail.
When a splatter of mud hits a camera, or rain splatters on to a camera even temporarily, might compromise these systems.
But, a few bucks saved for Tesla per vehicle is awesome, we should all make our sacrifices.
Your eyes can fail also while you are driving. Or you get blinded by a high beam. Nothing in life is perfect. Just like how the radar gets blocked by snow ALL THE TIME.
I don't see how mud and rain can splatter on to the cameras when the cameras are in the cabin with you. Can rain and mud splatter in your eyes when you are driving
There are cameras outside car. What’s more common around the world? Rain or snow?Your eyes can fail also while you are driving. Or you get blinded by a high beam. Nothing in life is perfect. Just like how the radar gets blocked by snow ALL THE TIME.
I don't see how mud and rain can splatter on to the cameras when the cameras are in the cabin with you. Can rain and mud splatter in your eyes when you are driving?
Adds a level of redundancy.
What's really funny about this is the legions of Tesla fan bois in this any many other threads on this site who were claiming all cars had transitioned to "Tesla Vision" as soon as it was included in Tesla's firmware, and that radar had been de-activated in those vehicles that had them.
In fact, it's not until update 2022.20.9 that "Tesla Vision" is being added to radar-equipped vehicles *without* FSD.