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Take a look at post #1,557 again, but you knew that already, so why keep repeating?Check out the last 10 years. Dramatic slow down of volume decline, if not stopped.
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Take a look at post #1,557 again, but you knew that already, so why keep repeating?Check out the last 10 years. Dramatic slow down of volume decline, if not stopped.
Take a look at post #1,557 again, but you knew that already, so why keep repeating?
why are the fire fighters burning more oil in their ships engines to hose water on the sea ?Someone once said that if you keep repeating a lie, people will eventually believe it. LOL
BTW, no problem here...
Put your eyes on this graph. It shows 2021 consistently below the 04-13 average. Also notice how 2018 actually went above average for a time but overall it was below, so don't get too excited if there is a similar temporary rise this year as well. Your constant cherry picking of snapshots in time isn't fooling anyone but yourself.Put your eyes on this sea ice thickness map.
Put your eyes on this graph. It shows 2021 consistently below the 04-13 average. Also notice how 2018 actually went above average for a time but overall it was below, so don't get too excited if there is a similar temporary rise this year as well. Your constant cherry picking of snapshots in time isn't fooling anyone but yourself.
relax. All ice on earth will not melt
So, are you trying to say that you can determine from 40-50 years that the trend established will never change back? That doesn't seem too scientific to me. Satellite data is the most accurate data we have for measuring temperature and sea ice. But it is only 40 years. Neither of us can be absolutely certain about what is going on with 40 years of data. My interpretation is that we've had some warming and melting during the past four decades. But that trend is slowing down, if not, stopped. Climate alarmists have taken the trend of the 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s and extrapolated that out to an exceptionally hot earth and an ice free Arctic. Well, that has turned out to be false. The Arctic ice did not melt away, and the global mean temperature has stabilized. Currently, the latest temperature of the earth is -0.01 deg. C below the 1991-2020 global mean temperature. You alarmists think that is a one off. I don't. I see it as a multidecadal cycle. Another decade will reveal who is right and who is wrong.In climate vs. weather dynamics, it is not uncommon that within the irregular "zig-zags" of a long-term trend, there are "zags" that sometimes look like a 10-15 years stagnation in a specific graph. Even the global mean surface temperatures have those as well when it goes from an unusual high to an unusual low. You have to look at it in a context of 40-50 years to see if it is really that unusual. It isn't if you look at the long term trendline.
You global warming alarmists were all over Greenland when it was melting back in 2012. It was your front and center example of human-caused global warming; adversely affecting our planet, and that it would lead to a dramatic sea level rise, resulting in millions of deaths. Well, Greenland is no longer working too well for your hysterical global warming narrative. And climate realists like me gladly point that out.Yes, again, the only spot on earth that is cooling. More cherry picking of data.
The pipeline was shut off in 5 hours. That was a PEMEX operation by the way in case you were curious about the owner/operator.Someone once said that if you keep repeating a lie, people will eventually believe it. LOL
BTW, no problem here...
You know the saying about the elephant in the room? Well, Greenland is a BIG-ASS elephant!Yep, just Greenland.
I thought you global warming fanatics always told us that the sun had nothing to do with climate change. It is 100% human-caused!Wow, how did you happen to pick 2006 and 2021? Could it be because 2006 is solar cycle max and 2021 is solar cycle min?
It is a downward trend based on the 1979-2021 endpoints. From 2004 to 2021, it is a flatline. You are making the mistake that with 4 decades, you can assume the trend will go down to zero. Climate does not work that way.Don't know much about sea ice extent specifically (so likely won't engage in a discussion), just found this graph:
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Maybe you could claim there is an upward trend since 2016, or that the number for 2021 is higher than 2004.
However what I see is a downward trend.
relax. All ice on earth will not melt
It is a downward trend based on the 1979-2021 endpoints. From 2004 to 2021, it is a flatline. You are making the mistake that with 4 decades, you can assume the trend will go down to zero. Climate does not work that way.
You alarmists think that is a one off. I don't. I see it as a multidecadal cycle. Another decade will reveal who is right and who is wrong.
Not fooling anybody. Just simply pointing out that the Arctic ice is not melting away to oblivion like so many of you believe.Put your eyes on this graph. It shows 2021 consistently below the 04-13 average. Also notice how 2018 actually went above average for a time but overall it was below, so don't get too excited if there is a similar temporary rise this year as well. Your constant cherry picking of snapshots in time isn't fooling anyone but yourself.
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You must be following AOC's silly lead that we only have 9 years to go before the Climate Apocalypse arrives.Flatline or not, it is within the range of fluctuations around the trendline. As I have said was the case with the trend of the global mean surface temperatures, even though that is a much larger dataset. That had several periods that you could look at as flatlines, or as flcutuations around the trend. So the "deniers" made that argument 10-20 years ago, yet the trend re-established. It's not a deviation from the expected behavior.
You don't seem to get that point, and I am repeating myself.
EDIT: PLus, climate science don't just look at a statistical trend, they analyze the situation in depth as much as they can, to understand the development and not just extrapolate it.
Not a one off. Just a fluctuation like there have been several in climate vs. weather dynamics. The global mean temperatures have continued their trend in the same time.
In another decade, it will be too late and/or too difficult to do anything about it. Currently we just have to do things that make sense anyway (more or less). If we postpone further, we will need to do things that are increasingly unpleasant and expensive.
It's too late to wait any longer. You already played that game for too long.
Now quantify what is acceptable and what isn't. I assure you. You can't.The point is not that it will definitely all melt. The point is that there is no acceptable upper limit for what could happen if more and more ice melts.