Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

[Norbert]

ICE cars will be dead in 5 years. Nobody will want a new or used one. Too expensive to operate and maintain.

Even more so if the indirect cost of climate change would become part of the buying price.

The free market advocates do not really advocate a free market. They want to cheat.

 

[mspohr]

Old cars forced off road as Europe’s clean air zones nearly double

The number of clean air zones across Europe has risen 40% since 2019, forcing older and more polluting vehicles off the road, according to new research based on EU data. Low-emission zones (LEZs) have now been introduced in 320 European city regions, and that figure is expected to rise by more than half again, to 507, by 2025. All of Europe’s top 10 most popular tourist cities now restrict petrol and diesel clunkers, with stricter rules expected in existing LEZs including London, Paris, Brussels and Berlin within three years.

 

[voyager]

This heatwave has eviscerated the idea that small changes can tackle extreme weather | George Monbiot

I guess that we all should be happy that especially The Guardian pays a lot of attention to climate and environmental issues. But IMO journalists like Monbiot are morons. They thrive on only writing about subjects, not ONE uplifting article about what could be done. It is their raison d'etre. Too many people become insensitive or indifferent about reading Climate Change... till it hits them in their own burned down or flooded backyard. In case you haven't noticed, CC is not exactly on most people's agenda. They are concerned about the inflation, their jobs, meeting payments.

 

[voyager]

Declaring a climate emergency could unlock potent tools for Biden — at a steep cost

Many of Biden’s supporters in Congress are urging him to go bold nonetheless.

www.politico.com

Invoking a national emergency over climate change would enable President Joe Biden to unleash sweeping actions to restrain greenhouse gas production — such as banning U.S. crude oil exports, ending offshore drilling or speeding the manufacturing of electric vehicles. But some of those steps would be politically explosive, and could even prove ruinous to his party’s fortunes by sending gasoline prices soaring.

 

[Norbert]

.....In case you haven't noticed, CC is not exactly on most people's agenda. They are concerned about the inflation, their jobs, meeting payments.

There is nothing wrong with being concerned about inflation, jobs, and payments. Why would there be?

Nevertheless, a short while ago (before the inflation headlines), 93% of democrats and 73% of republican voters (not rep. politicians) were in favor of more solar power. That should be good enough to get the ball rolling. The problem is not that people lack enthusiasm for solar, but that it gets stuck in the political machinery.

 

[voyager]

A year ago, when more Americans rated the national economy as "good" than they do now, more people saw climate change as urgent. As views of the economy have grown more negative, the percentage saying climate change needs to be dealt with immediately has ebbed.

 

[Norbert]

A year ago, when more Americans rated the national economy as "good" than they do now, more people saw climate change as urgent. As views of the economy have grown more negative, the percentage saying climate change needs to be dealt with immediately has ebbed.

Less than a high priority, that doesn't mean not a priority at all. Lots of important things are not in that list. Given the overarching importance of the economy, you could actually argue that 39% is still a lot if the economy gets 76%. More than half. Especially considering the current situation.

 

[voyager]

Norbert, you don't know how exhausting it is to reason with people like you.

 

[JRP3]

I'm not seeing much "reasoning". What point are you trying to make? Climate change is the largest threat to humanity, period. Just because people have been mislead to think immigration is a larger issue doesn't make it true.

 

[Raffy.Roma]

Climate change is the largest threat to humanity, period.

AGREE 100%

 

[Norbert]

Norbert, you don't know how exhausting it is to reason with people like you.

... and I was trying to be "uplifting"....

 

[mspohr]

Climate emergency is a legacy of colonialism, says Greenpeace UK

“The environmental emergency is the legacy of colonialism,” the report says. This was because colonialism had “established a model through which the air and lands of the global south have been … used as places to dump waste the global north does not want”, the report says. It adds that similar inequalities are visible in the UK, where almost half of all of waste-burning incinerators are in areas with high populations of people of colour. In London, black people are more likely to breathe illegal levels of air pollution, and black people in England are nearly four times as likely as white people to have no access to outdoor space at home, it says.“

“We argue that the outcomes of the environmental emergency cannot be understood without reference to the history of British and European colonialism, which set in motion a global model for racialised resource extraction from people of colour.”

 

[mspohr]

But IMO journalists like Monbiot are morons. They thrive on only writing about subjects, not ONE uplifting article about what could be done. It is their raison d'etre.

Morons can't read and comprehend.

From TFA.

Only a demand for system change, directly confronting the power driving us to planetary destruction, has the potential to match the scale of the problem and to inspire and mobilise the millions of people required to generate effective action.
Some of us know what we want: private sufficiency, public luxury, doughnut economics, participatory democracy and an ecological civilisation. None of these are bigger asks than those the billionaire press has made and largely achieved: the neoliberal revolution that has swept away effective governance, effective taxation of the rich, effective restraints on the power of business and oligarchs and, increasingly, effective democracy. So let’s break our own silence. Let’s stop lying to ourselves and others by pretending that small measures deliver major change. Let’s abandon the timidity and tokenism. Let’s stop bringing buckets of water when only fire engines will do. Let’s build our campaign for systemic change towards the critical 25% threshold of public acceptance, beyond which, a range of scientific studies suggests, social tipping happens. I feel clearer about what effective political action looks like than I have ever done. But a major question remains. Given that we have left it so late, can we reach the social tipping point before we hit the environmental tipping point?

Perhaps you don't like the message?

 

[voyager]

I know Monbiot and have been reading many of his articles. He keeps repeating himself and is NOT open to any suggestions. Sic.
Writing about the climate is this type of journalists' business model. But so are the many, many organizations like UCS, Ceres and Sierra Club.

 

[patmurphey]

As long as the idiocy of both shutting down and making more expensive the use of fossil fuels BEFORE replacements are available, public support for a climate change agenda will suck.

 

[mspohr]

I know Monbiot and have been reading many of his articles. He keeps repeating himself and is NOT open to any suggestions. Sic.
Writing about the climate is this type of journalists' business model. But so are the many, many organizations like UCS, Ceres and Sierra Club.

So?
What do you think of his proposed solutions?

 

[Norbert]

Old cars forced off road as Europe’s clean air zones nearly double

The number of clean air zones across Europe has risen 40% since 2019, forcing older and more polluting vehicles off the road, according to new research based on EU data. Low-emission zones (LEZs) have now been introduced in 320 European city regions, and that figure is expected to rise by more than half again, to 507, by 2025. All of Europe’s top 10 most popular tourist cities now restrict petrol and diesel clunkers, with stricter rules expected in existing LEZs including London, Paris, Brussels and Berlin within three years.

Something like this seems far away in the US, where the market share of plug-ins is just a quarter of that in Europe.

 

[mspohr]

Big Oil V the World review – how can these climate crisis deniers sleep at night?

This shocking documentary series reveals the lies oil lobbyists told to undercut democracy, prevent action against global heating – and bring our planet to the brink

www.theguardian.com

 

[Norbert]

Big Oil V the World review – how can these climate crisis deniers sleep at night?

This shocking documentary series reveals the lies oil lobbyists told to undercut democracy, prevent action against global heating – and bring our planet to the brink

www.theguardian.com

The article is interesting in itself, but the link to the videos seems to work only in the UK.

Are these the same 3 videos?

 

[mspohr]

The article is interesting in itself, but the link to the videos seems to work only in the UK.

Are these the same 3 videos?

Looks similar. Could be the same BBC series "rebranded" as Frontline.
Here's the BBC Two series:

BBC Two - Big Oil v the World - Available now

Available episodes of Big Oil v the World

www.bbc.co.uk