As OP of this thread I don't really understand why you saw in my post a bashing tone. The Moderator intervened because my post was off topic and not because of other reasons.
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mspohr
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Critical measures of global heating reaching tipping point, study finds
Carbon emissions, ocean acidification, Amazon clearing all hurtling toward new records
www.theguardian.com
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The updated planetary vital signs we present largely reflect the consequences of unrelenting business as usual,” said Ripple, adding that “a major lesson from Covid-19 is that even colossally decreased transportation and consumption are not nearly enough and that, instead, transformational system changes are required.”
The study also found that ruminant livestock, a significant source of planet-warming gases, now number more than 4 billion, and their total mass is more than that of all humans and wild animals combined.
mspohr
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How many years until we must act on climate? Zero, say these climate thinkers
We asked a panelist of experts on when we need to start changing our economies and ways of consuming and producing. Their answer: now
www.theguardian.com
mspohr
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Three Americans create enough carbon emissions to kill one person, study finds
The analysis draws on public health studies that conclude that for every 4,434 metric tons of CO2 produced, one person globally will die
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The lifestyles of around three average Americans will create enough planet-heating emissions to kill one person, and the emissions from a single coal-fired power plant is likely to result in more than 900 deaths, according to the first analysis to calculate the mortal cost of carbon emissions.
jimm01
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Major fires and resulting emissions are set to continually increase across the world’s forested regions, fueling more warming and more fires to come.
www.technologyreview.com
The pandemic slashed the West Coast’s emissions. Wildfires already reversed it.
Major fires and resulting emissions are set to continually increase across the world’s forested regions, fueling more warming and more fires to come.
www.technologyreview.com
mspohr
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Climate crisis has cost Colorado billions – now it wants oil firms to pick up the bill
Boulder county estimates it will cost taxpayers $100m over the next three decades just to adapt transport and drainage systems to the climate crisis, and reduce the risk from wildfires.
The county government says the bill should be paid by those who drove the crisis – the oil companies that spent decades covering up and misrepresenting the warnings from climate scientists. It is suing the US’s largest oil firm, ExxonMobil, and Suncor, a Canadian company with its US headquarters in Colorado, to require that they “use their vast profits to pay their fair share of what it will cost a community to deal with the problem the companies created”.
The science has been there for years. The problem is that you have half the population who don’t want to believe in science because it means they couldn’t make as much money,” he said.
Boulder county estimates it will cost taxpayers $100m over the next three decades just to adapt transport and drainage systems to the climate crisis, and reduce the risk from wildfires.
The county government says the bill should be paid by those who drove the crisis – the oil companies that spent decades covering up and misrepresenting the warnings from climate scientists. It is suing the US’s largest oil firm, ExxonMobil, and Suncor, a Canadian company with its US headquarters in Colorado, to require that they “use their vast profits to pay their fair share of what it will cost a community to deal with the problem the companies created”.
The science has been there for years. The problem is that you have half the population who don’t want to believe in science because it means they couldn’t make as much money,” he said.
mspohr
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Democrats Seek $500 Billion in Climate Damages From Big Polluting Companies
The draft legislation from Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland directs the Treasury Department and the Environmental Protection Agency to identify the companies that released the most greenhouse gases into the atmosphere from 2000 to 2019 and assess a fee based on the amounts they emitted.
The draft legislation from Senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland directs the Treasury Department and the Environmental Protection Agency to identify the companies that released the most greenhouse gases into the atmosphere from 2000 to 2019 and assess a fee based on the amounts they emitted.
mspohr
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Environmental impact of bottled water ‘up to 3,500 times greater than tap water’
The impact of bottled water on natural resources is 3,500 times higher than for tap water, scientists have found. The research is the first of its kind and examined the impact of bottled water in Barcelona, where it is becoming increasingly popular despite improvements to the quality of tap water in recent years.
The impact of bottled water on natural resources is 3,500 times higher than for tap water, scientists have found. The research is the first of its kind and examined the impact of bottled water in Barcelona, where it is becoming increasingly popular despite improvements to the quality of tap water in recent years.
mspohr
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Our leaders look climate change in the eyes, and shrug | Hamilton Nolan
It is easy to imagine that a real live existential threat to our way of life would prompt any society to assume war footing and marshal everything it has to fight for survival. Unfortunately, this response only takes hold in actual war situations, where the threat is “other people that we can shoot and kill in glorious fashion”. When the threat comes not from enemy people, but from our own nature, we find it much harder to rise to the occasion. Where is the glory in recognizing the folly of our own greed and profligacy? Leaders are not elected on such things. We want leaders who will give us more, leading us ever onwards, upwards and into the grave.
As overwhelming and omnipresent as the climate crisis is, it is not the core issue. The core issue is capitalism. Capitalism’s unfettered pursuit of economic growth is what caused climate change, and capitalism’s inability to reckon with externalities – the economic term for a cost that falls onto third parties – is what is preventing us from solving climate change. Indeed, climate change itself is the ultimate negative externality: fossil-fuel companies and assorted polluting corporations and their investors get all the benefits, and the rest of the world pays the price. Now the entire globe finds itself trapped in the gruesome logic of capitalism, where it is perfectly rational for the rich to continue doing something that is destroying the earth, as long as the profits they reap will allow them to insulate themselves from the consequences.
Congratulations, free market evangelists: this is the system you have built. It doesn’t work. I don’t want to lean too heavily on the touchy-feely, Gaia-esque interpretation of global warming as the inevitable wounds of an omniscient Mother Earth, but you must admit that viewing humanity and its pollution as a malicious virus set to be eradicated by nature is now a fairly compelling metaphor. Homo sapiens rose above the lesser animals thanks to our ability to wield logic and reason, yet we have somehow gotten ourselves to a place where the knowledge of what is driving all these wildfires and floods is not enough to enable us to do anything meaningful to stop it. The keystone experience of global capitalism is to gape at a drought-fueled fire as it consumes your home, and then go buy a bigger SUV to console yourself.
It is easy to imagine that a real live existential threat to our way of life would prompt any society to assume war footing and marshal everything it has to fight for survival. Unfortunately, this response only takes hold in actual war situations, where the threat is “other people that we can shoot and kill in glorious fashion”. When the threat comes not from enemy people, but from our own nature, we find it much harder to rise to the occasion. Where is the glory in recognizing the folly of our own greed and profligacy? Leaders are not elected on such things. We want leaders who will give us more, leading us ever onwards, upwards and into the grave.
As overwhelming and omnipresent as the climate crisis is, it is not the core issue. The core issue is capitalism. Capitalism’s unfettered pursuit of economic growth is what caused climate change, and capitalism’s inability to reckon with externalities – the economic term for a cost that falls onto third parties – is what is preventing us from solving climate change. Indeed, climate change itself is the ultimate negative externality: fossil-fuel companies and assorted polluting corporations and their investors get all the benefits, and the rest of the world pays the price. Now the entire globe finds itself trapped in the gruesome logic of capitalism, where it is perfectly rational for the rich to continue doing something that is destroying the earth, as long as the profits they reap will allow them to insulate themselves from the consequences.
Congratulations, free market evangelists: this is the system you have built. It doesn’t work. I don’t want to lean too heavily on the touchy-feely, Gaia-esque interpretation of global warming as the inevitable wounds of an omniscient Mother Earth, but you must admit that viewing humanity and its pollution as a malicious virus set to be eradicated by nature is now a fairly compelling metaphor. Homo sapiens rose above the lesser animals thanks to our ability to wield logic and reason, yet we have somehow gotten ourselves to a place where the knowledge of what is driving all these wildfires and floods is not enough to enable us to do anything meaningful to stop it. The keystone experience of global capitalism is to gape at a drought-fueled fire as it consumes your home, and then go buy a bigger SUV to console yourself.
mspohr
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Climate crisis: Scientists spot warning signs of Gulf Stream collapse | Climate crisis | The Guardian
A shutdown would have devastating global impacts and must not be allowed to happen, researchers say
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The complexity of the AMOC system and uncertainty over levels of future global heating make it impossible to forecast the date of any collapse for now. It could be within a decade or two, or several centuries away. But the colossal impact it would have means it must never be allowed to happen, the scientists said.
JRP3
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Greenland mass ice-melting event is latest worrisome sign of climate crisis
In recent days, Greenland’s massive ice sheet has been melting at twice its average summer rate, shedding enough water to cover the entire state of Florida with 5 inches of water, research from Danish scientists shows.
As I sald in the post originating this thread the collapse of the Gulf Stream WILL CAUSE A NEW ICE AGE!!Such an event would have catastrophic consequences around the world, severely disrupting the rains that billions of people depend on for food in India, South America and West Africa; increasing storms and lowering temperatures in Europe; and pushing up the sea level in the eastern US. It would also further endanger the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets.Climate crisis: Scientists spot warning signs of Gulf Stream collapse | Climate crisis | The Guardian
A shutdown would have devastating global impacts and must not be allowed to happen, researchers say
The complexity of the AMOC system and uncertainty over levels of future global heating make it impossible to forecast the date of any collapse for now. It could be within a decade or two, or several centuries away. But the colossal impact it would have means it must never be allowed to happen, the scientists said.
Please check post #1 of this thread!
mspohr
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‘People think you’re an idiot’: death metal Irish baron rewilds his estate
Trees, grasses and wildlife are returning as Lord Dunsany recreates a vanished landscape in County Meath
www.theguardian.com
Uneasy about the climate crisis, at first Plunkett tried converting the estate to organic farming. When concern about the planet turned to alarm, he became vegan and decided to let a chunk of the estate revert to nature. He also resolved to block poachers and horse-mounted hunters: “I decided to go to war.” Plunkett patrolled the estate’s forests and meadows, confronted interlopers, filmed them, summoned police and threatened legal action. “I’ve been threatened to my face and on social media with being beaten up, having my tyres slashed, you name it.”
Plunkett says vindication has come in multiple forms. Before, the estate had just three types of grass, now it has 23. “I didn’t do it, the birds did.” Trees regenerated and multiplied – oak, ash, beech, Scots pine and black poplar. “I see a lot of saplings growing that I haven’t planted.” Lush, diverse vegetation attracted butterflies and other insects – “it’s like a buffet for them” – which drew more birds, including rarely seen woodpeckers, barn owls, red kites and sparrowhawks.
jimm01
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The sober assessment from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) features in a 42-page document known as the Summary for Policymakers.
It leads a series of reports that will be published over coming months and is the first major review of the science of climate change since 2013. Its release comes less than three months before a key climate summit in Glasgow known as COP26.
www.bbc.com
It leads a series of reports that will be published over coming months and is the first major review of the science of climate change since 2013. Its release comes less than three months before a key climate summit in Glasgow known as COP26.
Climate change: IPCC report is 'code red for humanity'
Heating from humans has caused irreparable damage to the Earth that may get worse in coming decades.
www.bbc.com
jimm01
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None of us experiences global mean temperature. We experience periods of heat and cold and all the stormy-noisiness of weather. It has been hard to distinguish events like storms and heat waves that have been juiced by climate change from ordinary bad luck that we humans have always experienced.
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Today’s climate reality was predicted by IPCC 30 years ago — now what?
We are living in the world that was envisioned in past IPCC reports.
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voyager
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Transitioning to EVs is not enough. We need to reduce our energy consumption as well, particularly since 60 percent is still generated by burning fossils. Simple: vehicle mass not displaced = kWh not needed. People don't realize that if they can afford to 'fill up' a car that outweighs the usually single occupant 25-30 to one, that energy is way too cheap. Cheap energy = emissions = what kills the planet.
nwdiver
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Transitioning to EVs is not enough. We need to reduce our energy consumption as well, particularly since 60 percent is still generated by burning fossils. Simple: vehicle mass not displaced = kWh not needed. People don't realize that if they can afford to 'fill up' a car that outweighs the usually single occupant 25-30 to one, that energy is way too cheap. Cheap energy = emissions = what kills the planet.
We can have both. One of the consequences of achieving 100% renewables is going to be MASSIVE.... MASSIVE curtailment. CA isn't even 50% yet AND they can export to other states to reduce curtailment. Even with that in May they wasted 327,000,000kWh worth of clean energy. The average EV only uses ~350kWh/mo. So the energy wasted in May because it had no place to go could have charged nearly 1M EVs and that number is going to grow exponentially as we approach the 100% target.
With smart charging in 5 years your 4 ton Cyber Truck could be running 90% on energy that would have just been wasted if you didn't have a Cyber Truck to charge....
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