strider
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You have to remember that a lot of people on this forum have their life savings in TSLA and if they think your comment will cause the stock to drop $0.03 you will be attacked.
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Corvettes hacked and brakes disabled using insurance dongle
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stopcrazypp
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I'm pretty sure if you rip open the dash board of any car, you can add a remote device that can do similar things to what they did to the Tesla. It's not on the same order of the Jeep and insurance dongle hack (one of which doesn't even require the hacker to be in the same general area as the car, the other doesn't require any physical modifications or access).
As for the whole terminology debate, I guess you can call what they did to the Tesla a "hack" (where are many different definitions).
As for the whole corvette thing, it is pretty scary. I would have considered adding such a dongle to my car, but given that I definitely will hesitate (as will lots of people).
As for the whole terminology debate, I guess you can call what they did to the Tesla a "hack" (where are many different definitions).
As for the whole corvette thing, it is pretty scary. I would have considered adding such a dongle to my car, but given that I definitely will hesitate (as will lots of people).
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bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of threads in this forum where sensationalist headlines are talked about. It shouldn't be a surprise if we discuss it again. Unnecessary sensationalism will likely always be called out. Yep, it's a Tesla forum. That doesn't change any facts. Easily the post could have left out those unnecessary 11 words, as you point out, and not have lost a thing.
Krugerrand
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You go first.
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Oh, so now they are different and all hacks are not created equally. So glad we agree.
Krugerrand
Meow
I'm just as happy to point out the disingenuous nature of such a post if it was you or anyone else on this forum pulling such a stunt.
Krugerrand
Meow
Honestly you have nothing useful to contribute to this thread. You hijacked the thread and completely changed the discussion off topic. All three hacks have the ability to change enable disable critical subsystems of the vehicle while driving. I don't give a crap what the differences or severities are. This thread was to discuss the latest hack using insurance dongles. If you want to discuss the differences between the hacks do so in your own thread.
dennis
Model S Plaid
How about if I say a bug is a bug when comparing a programming error in one of those mission critical real time systems you work on to a programming error in a game app for the iPhone? They're the same, right, since they are both software bugs?
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
How about not doing the name calling? Please. I don't believe I've ever called anyone a troll on this forum, because it's dismissive of others. But I sure hear a lot of 'fan boy' when someone doesn't like an opinion that doesn't agree with their position.
So, looking at the Corvette’s brakes hacked using an insurance dongle and SMS link from the OP, I see that the 'hacks' were lumped together and the insurance dongle 'hack' also requires physical access to the car to get at the "CAN BUS" (isn't that usually CAN bus?).
So the vector is an insecure insurance dongle providing access to the CAN bus and basically any car with a CAN bus is now 'hackable'.
Seems the insecure part is the insurance thing, or the overall security of anything that provides access to the CAN bus.
So the vector is an insecure insurance dongle providing access to the CAN bus and basically any car with a CAN bus is now 'hackable'.
Seems the insecure part is the insurance thing, or the overall security of anything that provides access to the CAN bus.
Poor example.. Both are indeed bugs. The fallout from each bug is significantly different in scale however. I think it's already been agreed that one hack is easier to pull off than the other, but both are hacks. Can we move on?
From my understanding text messages could be sent to the device to perform the "hack", no? If so, then yeah, physical access was needed, but not by the attacker, just the victim.
more HACKS on BMW and MBenz ZOMG is it a hack? is it a bug? is a hack a bug? is a bug a hack? is it a tesla hack? is it a vette hack? semantics semantics!!! zOMG OMG OMG let's not call it a HACK because it po's certain people. this time i'll call it "security inadequacies". Security Exploits In BMW, Benz iOS Apps Let Hackers Control Luxury Vehicles Remotely
(still a hack)
(still a hack)
Krugerrand
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deonb
Active Member
In that way, what artsci did with his front camera was also a hack.
Hack and 'Hacker' didnt use to mean anything negative - just an unofficial modification.
So if you want to use 'hack' in that context, then sure.
