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As for Regions... (Digit 6)
Did anyone ever figure out what Region 4, 5, and 7 are?
- Region: 1 = USA (LHD)
- Region: 2 = Europe (LHD) - including Italy, Denmark
- Region: 3 = Europe (RHD) - including UK
- Region: 6 = Canada (LHD)
- Region: 8 = Hong Kong (RHD)
Did anyone ever figure out what Region 4, 5, and 7 are?
I had written a script long ago to probe Carfax for valid roadster VINs to figure out which had been issued (for North America.)
I wrote a small tool to analyze my VIN list, and came up with these metrics for North America:
My list doesn't include Europe / Asia region coded VINs.
I also left off the early EP/VP cars made in UK (SFZ VINs).
Well, there is one exception... I happened across a used car listing for VIN 841 in region 4 being sold in Australia...
That is 5YJRE4A11A1000841
I think that most of the Roadsters that officially went to Australia came from the Europe/Asia VIN pool, so I am not sure why this one outlier seemed to show up. Possibly some sort of error/mistake.
I wrote a small tool to analyze my VIN list, and came up with these metrics for North America:
My list doesn't include Europe / Asia region coded VINs.
I also left off the early EP/VP cars made in UK (SFZ VINs).
Well, there is one exception... I happened across a used car listing for VIN 841 in region 4 being sold in Australia...
That is 5YJRE4A11A1000841
I think that most of the Roadsters that officially went to Australia came from the Europe/Asia VIN pool, so I am not sure why this one outlier seemed to show up. Possibly some sort of error/mistake.
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So 43 Canadian Roadsters then. IIRC the number I heard was 44, so that is about right.
I'm pretty sure there were oddities here and there, like a European car that was imported to Canada and converted to replace a crashed car.
I'm pretty sure there were oddities here and there, like a European car that was imported to Canada and converted to replace a crashed car.
Added EP, VP and Founders':
Not sure why some VPs used "V" in the VIN, and some used "9" instead. Maybe the "9" versions were intended to be used in Europe?
With "Factory" (where drivetrain was installed, I guess):
I guess maybe the "9" VPs were the ones assembled in the UK instead of in Menlo Park.
Not sure why some VPs used "V" in the VIN, and some used "9" instead. Maybe the "9" versions were intended to be used in Europe?
With "Factory" (where drivetrain was installed, I guess):
I guess maybe the "9" VPs were the ones assembled in the UK instead of in Menlo Park.
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VP production was interspersed with other production.
Founders' came before regular production.
VPs:
SFZRE11B773V00001
SFZRE11B973V00002
SFZRE11B073V00003
SFZRE11B273V00004
SFZRE11B473V00005
SFZRE11B673V00006
SFZRE11B873V00007
SFZRE11BX73V00008
SFZRE11B173V00009
SFZRE11B873V00010
SFZRE11BX73V00011
SFZRE11B173V00012
SFZRE11B373V00013
SFZRE11B573V00014
SFZRE11B283900016
SFZRE11B483900017
SFZRE11B683900018
5YJRE11B981V00019
SFZRE11B483900020
5YJRE11B781V00021
5YJRE11B981V00022
5YJRE11B081V00023
5YJRE11B281V00024
5YJRE11B481V00025
5YJRE11B681V00026
5YJRE11B881V00027
5YJRE11BX81V00028
5YJRE11B181V00029
5YJRE11B881V00030
5YJRE11BX81V00031
5YJRE11B181V00032
5YJRE11B381V00033
SFZ=Hethel, UK
5YJ=Menlo Park, US
I guess I still don't understand why some VPs used a 9 instead of V.
It seems that the last 4 of the Hethel produced VPs switched to using 9.
Well it looks like the Hethel VPs used "V" in 2007, and "9" in 2008...
So maybe there was some new requirement for VIN coding enforced.
Here it is with the "Type" reverse alpha sorted:
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Roadrunner13
Member
@TEG, well now you got me curious, is mine pegged as Canadian or US in your report?
I imported one from US to Canada, so it's one of those oddball that will break your chart!
supersnoop
Tesla Roadster #334
What's the sixth digit of your VIN?@TEG, well now you got me curious, is mine pegged as Canadian or US in your report?
I imported one from US to Canada, so it's one of those oddball that will break your chart!
@TEG, well now you got me curious, is mine pegged as Canadian or US in your report?
I imported one from US to Canada, so it's one of those oddball that will break your chart!
My chart is purely based on original VIN. Cars (gray market) imported from USA to Canada will still show up as "intended for USA".
I think there are quite a few other Roadsters in Canada that didn't have that "6" in VIN position "6" to indicate that it was produced specifically for Canada.
VINs don't change after a car was produced. They only give some limited info about the car at the time of original production.
The same can be said for the year. That is model year. Not production year, or even delivery year.
Roadrunner13
Member
Of course, you're totally right, your analysis is based on the VIN number breakdown...not anything Carfax told you except its actual existence!
Reading the thread too fast, I had linked Carfax with your country breakdown...
My sixth digit is obviously a '1'!...:redface:
Reading the thread too fast, I had linked Carfax with your country breakdown...
My sixth digit is obviously a '1'!...:redface:
And your car was first registered 12/29/2010 in Naples, Florida with license plate "881YKC"
LOL I thought I'd have a look at ExoticSpotter.com. Sure enough, found a couple of pics of my Roadster!
Thanks for that!
I think perhaps people still called the "Pilot Production" (type 9) cars as "VPs".
Wishful thinking that they called out glider years for 2012 through 2016. (didn't happen.)
This chart seems Europe centric. I wished they called out the region codes for the Roadsters "assembled in US".
That digit 11 "plant code" stuff is interesting. Of all the VINs I know, the US assembled cars are "1", and the UK assembled cars are "3".
Did they ever make any Roadsters with plant code 2 ?
I think perhaps people still called the "Pilot Production" (type 9) cars as "VPs".
Wishful thinking that they called out glider years for 2012 through 2016. (didn't happen.)
This chart seems Europe centric. I wished they called out the region codes for the Roadsters "assembled in US".
That digit 11 "plant code" stuff is interesting. Of all the VINs I know, the US assembled cars are "1", and the UK assembled cars are "3".
Did they ever make any Roadsters with plant code 2 ?
warden_clyffe
Member
hmm, strange - my (european) roadster got on 10th. digit an A - that means 2010 - but was licensed 1st. in 2009 (?)
anyway, me new here - living in germany, happy model s 85 and roadster 2.0 - owner - hello to all other enthusiasts !
Tesla skipped 2009 Model Year because so many 2008 Model Year cars were delayed into calendar year 2009 delivery.
The automotive Model Year doesn't have to track exact Calendar year. I think it is more of an estimate of closest year when they plan to deliver most of those series of vehicles.
The automotive Model Year doesn't have to track exact Calendar year. I think it is more of an estimate of closest year when they plan to deliver most of those series of vehicles.
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