R.S
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It's not stripped down.
To me FSD was a car, that can fully drive itself, with no driver needed. Sure, that’s not even legal right now and probably not possible soon.
But I want my FSD Model S to have that eventually.
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It's not stripped down.
No. Tesla is giving us a "down payment" on their promises. Tesla has a version of Autopilot that can handle city roads without driver intervention and a better version of auto park and summon, so they are releasing that by the end of this year to give owners who prepaid for FSD something tangible for their purchase. Isn't that better than making FSD buyers wait another 5+ years or whatever because they have not reached L4 yet?
A continous flow of features is not a problem — that much was to be expected. In fact we expected that by summer 2017 because Tesla announced it as such.
The concern here is if after all this time Tesla now, on the cusp of HW3, decides to go this conservative on their wording that probably does not bode too well for the ”FSD” wording of 2016-2018 or the Tesla Network we have been promised details of ”next year” for the past two years+... I mean even the coast to coast demo seems abandoned.
Most importantly, however, Tesla now explixitly states that FSD will not make the car autonomous. Not in any shape or form. Not this year or next year or ever.
/rant
Wrong. The site says that FSD is not autonomous NOW. Tesla is not saying that FSD will never be autonomous ever.
Did anybody notice that in addition to redefining FSD, they have taken everything but TACC and Autosteer out of the EAP package (for new orders) and put it into FSD? NoA is now an FSD-only feature, along with Summon (no more talk of Smart Summon I think?) and Autopark (which now is clearly just parallel and perpendicular parking, which we already have, not "Park Seek" or whatever it was...)
So My question is, if these features now called FSD were paid for as EAP, what will the people that paid for FSD be with this grand renaming really be getting, now or in the future?. Since they already paid for EAP (now FSD) + FSD.
Please recall Tesla removed FSD from the menu because it was creating «too much confusion» (paraphrasing).
The mistake they made today was to reinstall that wording. Naming this feature set «FSD» creates more confusion now than ever
I get that, I guess i am just confused. They removed FSD from the menu, but it was still available on you tesla page to purchase. My question is, people have paid for FSD, which was EAP + $$$$. Now that EAP which they already paid for is called FSD. where does that leave those people. Is it going to be NOA without nags? A few grands seem to be evaporating in this equation, or am I just not getting it?Please recall Tesla removed FSD from the menu because it was creating «too much confusion» (paraphrasing).
The mistake they made today was to reinstall that wording. Naming this feature set «FSD» creates more confusion now than ever
I get that, I guess i am just confused. They removed FSD from the menu, but it was still available on you tesla page to purchase. My question is, people have paid for FSD, which was EAP + $$$$, now EAP that they already paid for is called FSD. where does that leave those people. Is it going to be NOA without nags?
Coming later this year:
- Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.
- Automatic driving on city streets.
But FSD as it is now, is EAP renamed. What do those that paid the extra for FSD get? The urban driving and traffic lights seem to be included for all at this point?The new promise is that FSD will get urban driving with stop signs and traffic lights (assumed with nags of course). So for those whose EAP already includes most of the newly named ”FSD features” the difference is the urban driving as announced today. Still seems like a Level 2 driver’s assistance feature as any talk of becoming autonomous has been removed.
That is true, @lunitiks got that detail wrong. However the new wording also removes any suggestions that it will be autonomous, which used to be there in the old wording.
The new FSD basically only promises Level 2 features (assuming regulatory approval) whereas the old system promised inactive driver or even driverless Level 4-5 features (assuming regulatory approval). That is a big change in the promise.
Tesla becoming more realistic is welcome in itself. Too bad in this case it really paints their old comms and promises in a bad light. Maybe even in a sad light as I think @lunitiks put it in a past thread — rest of lunitiks’ opinion being spot on in my view...
I mean listen to Elon announce AP2 (and this was AP2, not AP2.5) as Level 5 capable hardware back in 2016. Constrast that to today...
Wait, what in the world is "Automatic driving on city streets"?
Is that really what's on the order page or are you ppl joking?
But FSD as it is now, is EAP renamed. What do those that paid the extra for FSD get? The urban driving and traffic lights seem to be included for all at this point?