Let me ask a simple question: did Elon / Tesla lie? Did they sell something that does not exist? Even promise it would exist by a certain time, and yet it still does not exist?
At what point do regulators get involved? Charges brought? Is this something the FTC would take up?
Everyone should just start demanding refunds.
They get away with it because people keep throwing money their way and don't mind getting walked all over.
Did Elon/Tesla Lie -> absolutely, and basically throughout the entire life of FSD so far. Where they've used the strategy of reducing the extent of the lie at each juncture.
Did they sell something that does not exist -> Yes.
What point do regulators step in -> In the US we have very loose regulation for this kind of thing. In other countries I expect to see FSD refunded soon. Countries like Germany for example. Which reminds me that I need to look up when the clock strikes on that one.
Elon never gave any precise time promise so I don't think most FSD customers in countries without good consumer protection laws have much recourse. They also hid behind the whole "after validation and regulatory" disclaimer.
With all that being said the vast majority of early FSD owners were people who understood that FSD was a bit of a pipe dream. Like for example I got it because $3K is a fairly small price to pay for a chance at something greater than L2 driving that we're stuck on. I was one of the 90% that ordered it knowing it was a lie to begin with. I didn't do it because I thought they could get away with something. I did it because it would be a fun adventure either way. When I bought it I didn't get the impression that any promises came with it. So I went for it knowing that it was a bit of a bet. With bets sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose.
Outside of AP 2.0 people I don't think a lot of FSD owners are really demanding a refund.
I think the best solution is for Tesla to actively offer refunds for people who bought FSD before it was merged with EAP features. So far those people haven't gotten a single thing for their money, and it's been like 3 years. So that way they can throw in the towel where the accept a possible higher cost later on for FSD if they choose to reorder it later.
It also allows people like me to continue to get FSD updates to see where it eventually goes.
Personally I don't have much empathy for people who fell for the FSD pipe dream. So it's like I'm with you guys in a journey where you guys don't want to be here. I just hope you guys get something so you can get off this train. This train isn't a train you want to be on if you don't relish at the chance at trying state of the art crapware. Only adventurous people need to stay.
