Elon: FSD Beta tweets

[S4WRXTTCS]

"FSD does dumb things, you'd think this would be fixed already"

Neither of those two things are FSD, but are clearly under AP.

How is a person supposed to justify a purchase/subscription of FSD when basic AP related functionality doesn't work all that well?

Heck some people might get denied the FSD beta because of false FCW warnings.

Pretty much 98% of the FCW warnings I get are false alarms.

Now that isn't to say I don't have hope that FSD beta will address some of the issues. Supposedly it does recognize turn signals, and the Tesla Vision should improve things like auto-lane change into a lane next to a semi-truck. In the current version it has a hard time estimating the depth to the truck so it flashes between the two lanes.

 

[JHCCAZ]

Or it could be reading way too much into a single tweet on a complex issue and terminator's guess about the meaning is wildly wildly off and an engineer did not communicate clearly in the godawful piece of crap that shitter..I mean twitter is for communication. Less is more and he should have just said yes we are aware of issue and working on it.

Maybe your hypothesis is right...he's not a tesla engineer but I have met a lot of bright engineers that have trouble communicating complex issues , not that they don't know what they are doing.

Enjoy the button.

It could be, and I'm not the originator of the fake employee theory. That seems pretty unlikely but I don't think that his tweets are doing Tesla any favors. Although I criticized the content of the tweet, in some ways it's very reminiscent of Elon's tweets.

I don't have a Twitter account myself and I don't intend to start. Maybe these are just par for the course; I'm constantly reading news stories about people who get in trouble with tweets. I understand the format is short and pithy. (I can write that way also but it leaves the comment open to negative spin, and here that triggers pouncing by professional arguers hoping to derail the thread.) But, people are starved for Tesla official info and try to interpret the implications of each tweet. I'll admit it and it could be overreaction.

So here's another theory: Elon likes the guy's tweets and his style of wording because it reminds him of his own, so armanthehacker is Tesla's new PR department.

 

[JHCCAZ]

"FSD does dumb things, you'd think this would be fixed already"

Neither of those two things are FSD, but are clearly under AP....

I'm not entirely clear which were the "those two things" you were referring to, and yes basic AP can also do dumb things. But I was thinking of the proposal (in the quoted tweets) to use a bike lane as a spill-over turn lane; that is clearly FSD territory because basic AP doesn't attempt turns at all. One example you mentioned, treating the merge or exit lane one wide lane, is I think NoA for highways which is part of the paid FSD package (but used to be available in an Enhanced AP package).

In any case, I'm certainly not taking any issue with you just because you quoted tweets, very helpful to me as I'm not on Twitter. My response / complaints last night were aimed at the tweeter not he messenger.

 

[Cyberax]

where did you hear that from, AKA SOU

Where did you hear that Waymo is never ever going to provide self-driving support for private vehicles?

well, there is nothing stopping people from riding a taxi now, but that ain’t doing so…..

First, I do use taxis (e.g. to get to and from airports). Second, I don't use taxis often because I don't believe it's ethical to force people to work jobs that should be automated.

 

[EVNow]

Where did you hear that Waymo is never ever going to provide self-driving support for private vehicles?

Obviously no one would / could say that. But it is not in their plans.

 

[qdeathstar]

Where did you hear that Waymo is never ever going to provide self-driving support for private vehicles?

from all available empirical evidence Steve.

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[Cyberax]

Obviously no one would / could say that. But it is not in their plans.

So you're familiar with internal strategic plans of Waymo? You must be pretty high up in Google's organizational structure!

 

[Daniel in SD]

Obviously no one would / could say that. But it is not in their plans.

The former CEO did say they have plans to lease vehicles to consumers.

 

[EVNow]

The former CEO did say they have plans to lease vehicles to consumers.

Not that I remember. Everything they are doing is commercial and as they say action speaks louder than words.

 

[Daniel in SD]

Not that I remember. Everything they are doing is commercial and as they say action speaks louder than words.

No one is going to lease a $100k+ vehicle that only drives itself in part of Phoenix.

Waymo CEO Says Tesla Is Not A Competitor, Gives Estimated Cost Of Autonomous Vehicles

In an interview with German business publication Manager Magazin, Waymo CEO John Krafcik gave an idea of how much each one of the company’s vehicles will cost.

www.forbes.com

“Let me paraphrase it like this: If we equip a Chrysler Pacifica Van or a Jaguar I-Pace with our sensors and computers, it costs no more than a moderately equipped Mercedes S-Class. So for the entire package, including the car - today,” he said in the interview.

A moderately equipped Mercedes Benz S-Class retails around $180,000 in the U.S. It is worth noting that Waymo has no current plans to sell its modified vehicles to the public and will operate them in an autonomous ride-hailing service instead. (Although Krafcik said it may eventually introduce a subscription model that will allow consumers to lease their own Waymo car.)

I guess he said "may"...
As you know, Tesla will stop selling cars once FSD is out of beta.

 

[mhan00]

Elon says the way the safety score is calculated is fluid. Will be changing over time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1441677227565850628

Theory:

1. Tesla will monitor near misses and collect the data.
2. Will go back and look at driving style, camera, etc... Might even look at road info, such as speed limit.
3. Create a computer model / machine learning model that predicts near misses and collisions.
4. If you get a low score or high probability of near miss, get booted from beta. Later might disengage beta real time.

Speed limit might be tricky, given how often the system gets confused. I have a couple of speed limit signs on a 45mph downhill road that have speed limit signs meant for trucks that say 25mph (there’s a “Truck” mini sign mounted over the 25 mph signs to denote they’re applicable only to trailer trucks going down the hill). The system reads the truck speed limit signs and thinks a 45 mph road is a 25 mph road.

 

[EVNow]

No one is going to lease a $100k+ vehicle that only drives itself in part of Phoenix.

Waymo CEO Says Tesla Is Not A Competitor, Gives Estimated Cost Of Autonomous Vehicles

In an interview with German business publication Manager Magazin, Waymo CEO John Krafcik gave an idea of how much each one of the company’s vehicles will cost.

www.forbes.com

I guess he said "may"...
As you know, Tesla will stop selling cars once FSD is out of beta.

So, basically they have no plans of selling cars to people. May lease 30k car for 180k ... no thx.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Hilarious that some people believe ~24 hours of extra testing will make 10.1 any better lmao

 

[Terminator857]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442197732882632707

To file a bug report. Hit the mic button and say "bug report".

 

[EVNow]

Hilarious that some people believe ~24 hours of extra testing will make 10.1 any better lmao

When you are working on weekly schedule - that is 15% more time. Definitely you can knock off a few bugs in that time.

Most likely, because they were knocking off bugs - the build/test got delayed by a day. So, in effect - yes - 24 hrs can definitely make the software better.

 

[Doggydogworld]

So, basically they have no plans of selling cars to people. May lease 30k car for 180k ... no thx.

Krafcik said Waymo would not manufacture cars. But he said numerous times at conferences and such they would license the Waymo Driver for cars OEMs sell to end users. He usually gave a 2025-ish time frame.

Here's a puff piece from last year about their "deeper partnership" with FCA:
FCA has selected Waymo as its exclusive, strategic technology partner for L4 fully self-driving technology across FCA’s full product portfolio. We’ve already started to work together to imagine future FCA products for the movement of people and goods operated by the Waymo Driver.

More puffery, this time with Volvo:
We then collaborate with carmakers, leveraging their expertise in automotive design, engineering, and manufacturing, to help us create vehicles that integrate easily with the Waymo Driver, making them well-suited for ride hailing, local delivery, trucking, and personal car ownership.

Going back further, from a 2017 Krafcik blog entry:
Our early riders will play an important role in shaping the way we bring self-driving technology into the world — through personal cars, public transportation, ride-hailing, logistics and more.

Of course the company is flailing now so all bets are off. But at least during Krafcik's reign they clearly planned to provide technology so OEMs could sell L4 cars to end users.

 

[Terminator857]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442496806802231305

Quote:
Again, I was very cordial about it, and told him I linked his video in a follow-up tweet, and he said something along the lines of, “You don’t know how much stress this has caused me. I don’t want to lose my Beta access and people have been so mad at me because of it.”

 

[Driver08]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442706542839701510

 

[Driver08]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442707528924684293

 

[momo3605]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442706542839701510

son of a Looks like it could be a looong time before many of us see the beta. Do we have to keep up our safety score for weeks on months? That will suck…

I’m at 99 right now, but I expect it’ll still be a while