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Elon: FSD Beta tweets
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I am not so quick to blame the media, given that no Tesla driver would say "self driving" to mean TACC or AP or anything other than FSD. The medium in question, the LA TImes, at least has some journalistic standards, and my inclination is to consider them innocent (of sloppy journalism) until proven guilty.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
The only things certain in life are death, taxes, & FSD delays and disappointment, which do not comport with Elon’s Tweets.
Never mind that the caption did not match the news story.
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
In about 5 minutes, I've found 3 examples of the media saying "self driving" prior to FSD Beta even existing:
July 2016: Tesla driver killed while using autopilot was watching Harry Potter, witness says "Driver in first known fatal self-driving car crash was also driving so fast that ‘he went so fast through my trailer I didn’t see him’, the truck driver involved said"
January 2017: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/business/tesla-model-s-autopilot-fatal-crash.html "Tesla’s Self-Driving System Cleared in Deadly Crash"
June 2017: Driver killed in Tesla self-driving car crash ignored warnings, NTSB reports
No Tesla driver would. But did the Tesla driver talk to the reporter, or did they talk to the police, who then answered a question from the reporter?
Police to driver: Was the car driving itself? I see it's a Tesla.
Driver: I had autopilot engaged.
Reporter to police: Was the driver using full self driving?
Police to reporter: Yes.
I’ve even seen the same headline in England....let’s face it, Teslas have some kind of mythical properties to the uninitiated.....
I treat the headlines the other way round, if they get it completely wrong because of biased and the inability to research on a subject that we are experts in....just extrapolate that onto the rest of the newspaper and assume it’s all rubbish
I treat the headlines the other way round, if they get it completely wrong because of biased and the inability to research on a subject that we are experts in....just extrapolate that onto the rest of the newspaper and assume it’s all rubbish
Avoid the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
(The name was given by somebody else to make it sound better, which was a funny thing to do.)
When a journalist's soul dies, they become a headline writer.The only things certain in life are death, taxes, & FSD delays and disappointment, which do not comport with Elon’s Tweets.
Never mind that the caption did not match the news story.
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
I can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic. If you aren't, how do you get that it's dead from this tweet?
He says "Aiming for about half Tesla AI hardware, half Nvidia/other."
Sharing half the data-center space with Nvidia doesn't sound like it's dead to me.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Need to learn Elon speak. Dojo is as dead as the 4680 (barring a miracle).
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Just have to know the “one simple trick” of how to see Elon’s Tweets, which is required, possibly because the algorithm is working against him.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
He literally said it was “Sizing for ~130MW of power & cooling this year” for “mostly HW4, some Dojo” (was not clear if any of it was Nvidia but I guess I read it as no).
There is no narrative here. Just what he said. And yes I was kidding about Dojo being “dead.” It looks like it is being phased out for the Tesla HW5 Ai5 chip ultimately, if that pans out (Nvidia may win there too, though eventually they have to lose, surely?).
So, natural causes.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
AI5 is still an inference chip, not a training chip, AFAIK. It sounds like Dojo is not cost competitive with Nvidia so they're not using it.
130MW is 1.14TWh per year? Wouldn't that cost a fortune?
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Yes, I thought it was interesting that Elon thinks Ai5 will do training and inference. Seems very inefficient. We’ll see. I guess it makes sense to give Nvidia an inherent advantage so they can be competitive.
They will get special deal on electricity from Texas. It’s not that much anyway, only a few hundred million per year. Or a couple hundred million for do it yourself. A really good deal is a dollar per watt per year.
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Seattle
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I wanted to make a joke here about solar power, but I failed. A random gov website says an avg home uses 10.5 megawatters per year. So that is Tesla DC about 108,457 homes worth of power. Another random website says 100 megawatts is used by an "avg data center" and says this is equivalent to the power used by 80k homes, so that's about right.
When you read about these data centers using a lot of power it is hard to think of that in human terms; one several football sized building is using the same power as ~100k homes.
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