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The real question is what is the percentage of early Model 3 vehicles having problems? There were "nightmare" stories with the first Roadster, but only 2500 total cars were produced. Early S owners had "nightmare" stories, certainly plenty of "nightmare" stories with early Model X owners. There is a far larger volume of early Model 3 owners, however is the percentage of "nightmare" stories any higher? My guess is no.
 
None of us were allowed to test drive the car.
Most signed the papers before even SEEING their cars (which I thought was weird)

I dunno, this may be the way of the future.

I totally was fine with not testing my car.
I totally was fine with signing papers online.

Just really want to do everything online beforehand and just go there and pick it up.

And press the support button later if I find anything wrong.

But yes, that may be just me, but I do think in this amazon world we are in, it will be more this way: buy online, pick it up, send the service unit over if anything is wrong.

I totally like it better this way.
 
I dunno, this may be the way of the future.

I totally was fine with not testing my car.
I totally was fine with signing papers online.

Just really want to do everything online beforehand and just go there and pick it up.

And press the support button later if I find anything wrong.

But yes, that may be just me, but I do think in this amazon world we are in, it will be more this way: buy online, pick it up, send the service unit over if anything is wrong.

I totally like it better this way.
I can't wait to be able to order my 4th Model S Amazon Prime Style - hopefully by then they will just deliver it to the door... just like everything else in our home now (dog food, groceries, dry cleaning etc..)

If I never have to set foot insight a greasy sleazy "finance manager's" office again trying to get me to buy aftermarket everything..
 
The real question is what is the percentage of early Model 3 vehicles having problems? There were "nightmare" stories with the first Roadster, but only 2500 total cars were produced. Early S owners had "nightmare" stories, certainly plenty of "nightmare" stories with early Model X owners. There is a far larger volume of early Model 3 owners, however is the percentage of "nightmare" stories any higher? My guess is no.

Is the concern really nightmare stories? Or just pain in the arse stories?

Sure nightmare stories are bad, and there were some pretty bad nightmare stories from the X due to it being overly complicated.

But, I think the biggest nightmare story for the Model 3 is at the factory, and at the reported number of cars that have to be reworked there. So it really puts into question the production numbers if so many of them have to be reworked.

Most buyers are hidden from the Model 3's nightmare story except for the repairs. That's a separate nightmare story that impacts every Tesla vehicle.

The practice of refusing a delivery and getting a new VIN is pretty well known/reported so it has to be happening on percentage or 2 of vehicles ordered. There are numerous reports of those on TMC. I wouldn't call that a nightmare story, but a "why did you put me through this?" story.

It's hard to get a good count because a lot of people are accepting things that would be hard failures on other cars. In my own experience with the Model 3 if it was any other car company (Porsche, Audi, MB, etc) I would have taken one look at the bumper alignment issue, and walked right off the lot. But, I ended up accepting it and simply have a due bill for them to fix it later. So I won't show up on the list of rejected VIN's even though I should have rejected it as it was a hard failure.

I looked a bunch of other Model 3's on the lot and they didn't have the same alignment issue. Alignment wise they looked pretty good so I think Tesla has mostly solved that problem. But, most seemed to have some paint issues of some kind.

I'm not sure the average Model 3 buyer is expecting the level of perfection that you normally get with a $60K+ car. Maybe the reason I say something is a hard failure is because I'm used to Audi's, and Porsche's. So that's what I'm using to measure it against.

So it won't really show up until those like me jump ship to Audi/Porsche whenever their supercharger like network becomes a viable alternative.

My biggest concern now is Tesla is manufacturing customers for competitors. In the same way Nissan, GM made customers for Tesla by producing EV's that were good, but not quite what someone wanted.

If I was Sales/Service of Tesla I would really focus on improving the delivery experience. It's the easiest part to fix, and has the biggest return on investment in terms of customer loyalty.

With cars the customer loyalty aspect is huge. Most buyers like myself simply go back to what they know/trust. Why did a buy another Tesla? Because I had a good experience with my Model S.
 
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I can't wait to be able to order my 4th Model S Amazon Prime Style - hopefully by then they will just deliver it to the door... just like everything else in our home now (dog food, groceries, dry cleaning etc..)

If I never have to set foot insight a greasy sleazy "finance manager's" office again trying to get me to buy aftermarket everything..

I find this funny because I just experienced the after market everything with a camper van.

Where was basically "No, No, NO!!" to all the after market add ons they suggested. He wasn't too sleazy about it, and was just going through some list that I think he had to.

But, what I find funnier is I paid for FSD on my Model 3.

Sure there was no greasy sleazy finance manager office, but there was a greasy/sleazy video on Tesla's website.
 
The Neural Link is really fascinating to me. I did not understand what he was doing with NL until the Rogan podcast. I'm glad they spent so much time on it.

If they succeed in creating a device that beams information directly into your brain, then life as we know it would completely be changed, forever. I think NL could become a very valuable company. Their product would be an absolute must have and game changing item at any price. Development costs will be high, but once it is figured out they will sell billions of units.
 
Just a little nervous that Elon is on thin ice with the board and I don't want him to be forced out by evil forces....

I think the board has already been placated . Jerome is the defacto COO for automotive & JB has always been the energy storage COO

To help achieve our goals, after discussing this in-depth with the Tesla board of directors and executive staff over the past several weeks, I am excited to announce a number of management changes:
 
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If I never have to set foot insight a greasy sleazy "finance manager's" office again trying to get me to buy aftermarket everything..

That's definitely one thing that people don't get.

Doesn't matter how many electric cars the old guys have, as long as they have dealers skimming money off the deal, I'm never buying from them again.
 
The Neural Link is really fascinating to me. I did not understand what he was doing with NL until the Rogan podcast. I'm glad they spent so much time on it.

If they succeed in creating a device that beams information directly into your brain, then life as we know it would completely be changed, forever. I think NL could become a very valuable company. Their product would be an absolute must have and game changing item at any price. Development costs will be high, but once it is figured out they will sell billions of units.
Porn industry is going to make a fortune!
 
This interview is fantastic!
I highly recommend that you listen to the entire thing.
Many profound observations.
(This just shows the petty shallowness of the media. More reason to ignore all of the noise. I am confident that Musk and Tesla will have a profound effect on the world.)

On AI:
More fatalistic about AI. It will cause problems.
"The cortex is largely in service to the limbic system."
"Your phone is an extension of you. You are already a cyborg."
We need to improve the data rate interface between their biological self and the computer.
People need to decide if they want to keep their biological self.

Games will be indistinguishable from reality.
We could be in a simulation.

Tesla cars have a lot of hidden easter eggs that people don't know about.

A Tesla is the most fun thing you could possible buy ever.
Atari ROM emulator is being added to the car. You can play missile command.

3D on the transit system can relieve any amount of traffic

Flat earth people

He has a design for a better airplane. Electric, VTOL, ... need lots of altitude
Energy of height regens on the way down.
Electric plane is not necessary now... solar power and EVs are

Crazy to be burning fossil fuel. The dumbest experiment in human history.
Need to transition to renewable energy. Must have sustainable energy

EVs have great traction and stability control. (I have experienced this directly. You can't get it to go sideways.)

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Lot of great stuff there.
 
Is the concern really nightmare stories? Or just pain in the arse stories?

Sure nightmare stories are bad, and there were some pretty bad nightmare stories from the X due to it being overly complicated.

But, I think the biggest nightmare story for the Model 3 is at the factory, and at the reported number of cars that have to be reworked there. So it really puts into question the production numbers if so many of them have to be reworked.

Most buyers are hidden from the Model 3's nightmare story except for the repairs. That's a separate nightmare story that impacts every Tesla vehicle.

The practice of refusing a delivery and getting a new VIN is pretty well known/reported so it has to be happening on percentage or 2 of vehicles ordered. There are numerous reports of those on TMC. I wouldn't call that a nightmare story, but a "why did you put me through this?" story.

It's hard to get a good count because a lot of people are accepting things that would be hard failures on other cars. In my own experience with the Model 3 if it was any other car company (Porsche, Audi, MB, etc) I would have taken one look at the bumper alignment issue, and walked right off the lot. But, I ended up accepting it and simply have a due bill for them to fix it later. So I won't show up on the list of rejected VIN's even though I should have rejected it as it was a hard failure.

I looked a bunch of other Model 3's on the lot and they didn't have the same alignment issue. Alignment wise they looked pretty good so I think Tesla has mostly solved that problem. But, most seemed to have some paint issues of some kind.

I'm not sure the average Model 3 buyer is expecting the level of perfection that you normally get with a $60K+ car. Maybe the reason I say something is a hard failure is because I'm used to Audi's, and Porsche's. So that's what I'm using to measure it against.

So it won't really show up until those like me jump ship to Audi/Porsche whenever their supercharger like network becomes a viable alternative.

My biggest concern now is Tesla is manufacturing customers for competitors. In the same way Nissan, GM made customers for Tesla by producing EV's that were good, but not quite what someone wanted.

If I was Sales/Service of Tesla I would really focus on improving the delivery experience. It's the easiest part to fix, and has the biggest return on investment in terms of customer loyalty.

With cars the customer loyalty aspect is huge. Most buyers like myself simply go back to what they know/trust. Why did a buy another Tesla? Because I had a good experience with my Model S.

So let’s get this straight your sayin that the best “Dealer” delivery is better than the worst Tesla experience?

I call bullshit, cuz the BEST conventional car dealer experience is so much worse than anything I have seen or read about on these forums.

That does not say not to continuously improve the experience (which Tesla is doing) but really no car dealer I or anyone I know ever said ANYTHING positive about these leaches.

Fire Away!
 
The Neural Link is really fascinating to me. I did not understand what he was doing with NL until the Rogan podcast. I'm glad they spent so much time on it.

If they succeed in creating a device that beams information directly into your brain, then life as we know it would completely be changed, forever. I think NL could become a very valuable company. Their product would be an absolute must have and game changing item at any price. Development costs will be high, but once it is figured out they will sell billions of units.

This is the bandwidth that he is referring to.

Fire Away!
 
Watch the interview closer; he’s not the self destructive kind. Pay attention to his views on humanity as a whole and about people.

If you think what he did was smoking pot you might want to go see what the real pot smokers think of that. Never mind the fact he clearly stated it does nothing for him and it’s not conducive to being productive, which is a central focus for him.

And don’t forget, he never gives up.

Don’t be nervous, just go cancel that reservation already.
You're right.... from what I watched of the interview, it was classic Elon... but I turned it off midway through, then the next day, I turned on Teslarati and next thing I start seeing is pics of Elon smoking a phat blunt and "Tesla drops 6% because Elon does Cocaine off Joe Ragan's ass." I admit it, I panicked. But now, cooler heads have prevailed, and now that Tesla is back on solid footing, I'm ready to cancel my order.
 
watching the interview. Half hour to go and I can’t get past the idea that this seems like Joe Rogan actually setup Elon to intentionally ruin his reputation and hurt Tesla as a result. First of all he messes up Elon’s judgement early by offering him whisky multiple times. Then after a couple drinks at some point he makes a remark to Elon about how “mushrooms are cool” Almost goading him to agree on video. (Thankfully Elon Just responds “yeah they’re delicious”). Then finally at the end (I’ve heard. Haven’t gotten to that part yet) Joe gets him to try smoking a Marijuana laced cigar. This really really feels like Joe Rogan intentionally set up Elon with the hopes that he would fall for it, use drugs on video and ruin his reputation. What convinces me even more is that he seems capable of it because he strikes me as an In your face jerk/high school bully type.
 
Can someone explain to me why Elon calls burning oil an experiment. I’ve heard it from him many times and I’ve always wondered. It has a utilitarian value, it’s not like we are really burning all the oil to just see what happens. It seems to me it’s like saying building a house is an experiment, wearing clothes, or making metal objects. Thanks.
 
I find this funny because I just experienced the after market everything with a camper van.

Where was basically "No, No, NO!!" to all the after market add ons they suggested. He wasn't too sleazy about it, and was just going through some list that I think he had to.

But, what I find funnier is I paid for FSD on my Model 3.

Sure there was no greasy sleazy finance manager office, but there was a greasy/sleazy video on Tesla's website.
They have videos - why did you watch them?

When I say greasy sleazy I am thinking "Behind the Green Door" Dealership verses "The Sound of Music" online experience.
 
watching the interview. Half hour to go and I can’t get past the idea that this seems like Joe Rogan actually setup Elon to intentionally ruin his reputation and hurt Tesla as a result. First of all he messes up Elon’s judgement early by offering him whisky multiple times. Then after a couple drinks at some point he makes a remark to Elon about how “mushrooms are cool” Almost goading him to agree on video. (Thankfully Elon Just responds “yeah they’re delicious”). Then finally at the end (I’ve heard. Haven’t gotten to that part yet) Joe gets him to try smoking a Marijuana laced cigar. This really really feels like Joe Rogan intentionally set up Elon with the hopes that he would fall for it, use drugs on video and ruin his reputation. What convinces me even more is that he seems capable of it because he strikes me as an In your face jerk/high school bully type.

You actually think Joe I’m dumb as a bag of hammers Rogan got one over on Elon? Joe Rogan is many things but a bully he is not. He is just a dimwit and a pothead, people get high on the show all the time.