He's not saying burning oil in itself is an experiment. He's saying that *continuing* to burn oil when *we know it's impacting our climate* and *we could choose to largely stop* is an experiment. And a dumb one due to its potentially catastrophic consequences.
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Elon Musk on The Joe Rogan Experience
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adiggs
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Then you're seeing evidence that is contrary to your investment thesis. Whether that evidence is strong enough to change your investment decision is the next choice ahead of you.
I notice that you list your location as Germany. I don't have any other knowledge of you than that, but I can tell you that my own experience in Portland, OR is very different. Model 3's are showing up everywhere. The few M3 owners are new Tesla owners, and they've got that huge wide grin that I first got back in 2013. They're loving the car, loving the experience.
Somebody said, in our local Tesla Owners facebook group, that the local service center is delivering 20 Model 3's here in Portland -- now I can't remember if it's daily or weekly. Either way, there are new Tesla owners with new Model 3's springing up like rabbits here. I'm seeing them on the road constantly now.
Of course, that's anecdote. Nonetheless, my personal experience is reinforcing my investment thesis and belief where the company is at. Your months behind production goals, is my years ahead of anybody else's intent (whether the anybody else will meet that intent or not is unknown until they do it, or the time elapses). And I still consider Model 3 to be a full year ahead of the original intent - the original plan didn't survive taking so many reservations the first day, and then seeing them continue to pour in.
The QC and customer service issues are tied to the number 1 issue I see for the company today, and I agree that someday it could be the difference between Tesla being the biggest automaker or a boutique automaker. They will have to get it together.
But it really doesn't change anything strategic, today. Because demand is so high, they sell everything they make. And that demand is so high because what they build is so far ahead of what anybody else is making, it's scarcely fathomable. It's closer to the difference between the first cars and the very best buggies for horses to pull, than it is to this year's variation on any car and last year's variation on the same car. In the latter case, the QC and customer service is likely to be the difference in what gets chosen. In the former case, QC and customer service on the very best buggies wasn't going to save them from the advent of cars.
(And I expect Tesla will fix the QC. As a vehicle owner, I want the best of QC and service. As a shareholder, I can separate it and realize that it needs to be good enough - if vehicles didn't run at all, and people couldn't get them fixed, then I would expect that to start showing up in the demand, and that becomes a strategic issue. I don't see evidence of that)
The experiment is continuing to burn massive quantities of fossil fuels globally despite evidence of its detrimental environmental effects because you want to see for yourself that it’ll ruin the environment. At that point it’s too late and damage irreparable...when you could have simply used renewable energy many years prior (while creating thousands of new jobs).
I watched the entire thing and thought Rogan was meh. He talked way to much and doesn’t have a clue how to get his guest to talk. Too bad it wasn’t Stern that got two plus hours of Musk’s time.
The Bellevue SC reported to me that they were delivering 5 an hour on the day of my delivery which was a Friday.
The largest number of employees seemed to be the detailers trying to keep up.
To say it was a mad house is putting it lightly.
Almost as crazy as a Washington State Subaru Dealer.
Artful Dodger
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Some stats for the JRE/Musk Youtube video:
02:30 am PDT, Sun Sep 9, 2018
6,825,456 (6.8M) views
Getting ~1,000/min for last 5 min
209K Like-votes
4.3K down-votes
Online about 50 hrs
Currently No. 3 JRE most-viewed
No. 1 has 7.5M views, 1.5 yrs old
Nice result. The legend of Elon grows.
Now also available on vimeo.com
02:30 am PDT, Sun Sep 9, 2018
6,825,456 (6.8M) views
Getting ~1,000/min for last 5 min
209K Like-votes
4.3K down-votes
Online about 50 hrs
Currently No. 3 JRE most-viewed
No. 1 has 7.5M views, 1.5 yrs old
Nice result. The legend of Elon grows.
Now also available on vimeo.com
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Artful Dodger
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Just passed 7M views at 06:30 PDT Sunday
7,064,669 views
That's 240K views in the last 2:40 hrs,
including 122K views in the last 30 min
(that's 4,000 views per minute)
PR MUCH?!
Looks like the East Coast is waking up.
I wonder how many views are from EU?
Cheers!
7,064,669 viewsThat's 240K views in the last 2:40 hrs,
including 122K views in the last 30 min
(that's 4,000 views per minute)
PR MUCH?!
Looks like the East Coast is waking up.
I wonder how many views are from EU?
Cheers!
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ZachF
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I thought the interview went pretty well, and hell the smoking weed thing probably endeared Elon to the younger generation. (Future buyers)
This is coming from someone who thought his MBKHD interview didn't come off too well. There I think Elon seemed like he hadn't slept for four days and had eleven cups of coffee to compensate.
The type of people who were "shocked" by him taking a puff (Then saying he doesn't really care for it) are probably baby boomer types who are too busy racking up debt for their children to repay.
This is coming from someone who thought his MBKHD interview didn't come off too well. There I think Elon seemed like he hadn't slept for four days and had eleven cups of coffee to compensate.
The type of people who were "shocked" by him taking a puff (Then saying he doesn't really care for it) are probably baby boomer types who are too busy racking up debt for their children to repay.
You’re right. I mean, in the same vein, building mega cities are experiments. Not allowing forest fires to burn is an experiment.
Fossil fuels have massive utilitarian value. What Elon means is that we don’t know what bad catastrophic effect increasing co2 will have. Of course, if could have no catastrophic effect, but that’s the nature of an unknown, an experiment.
At least Elon has viable solutions and is actually implementing them. He is singlehandedly converting our transport infrastructure to electric. Even if you don’t think increasing co2 will be catastrophic, that’s a huge positive good in itself for other reasons. Too bad his Solarcity idea got derailed for a bit by financial shortsellers. Solar roofs just won’t be cheap enough to make anywhere near a dent in fossil fuel consumption as cheap Solarcity installs did.
Anyways, the way Elon phrases it, as an experiment, is just an example of his intellectual honesty. Unlike most climate change zealots (meaning most people reading this post, I think), Elon knows that we don’t know what will happen if we continue to pump co2 into the atmosphere, maybe something bad will happen, maybe it won’t, but it is foolish to do something so irreversible when we don’t know the outcome (and it probably isn’t even irreversible since the world appears to be getting greener due to the increase in co2).
Elon well knows that this is a weak argument for radically changing our transport infrastructure. Using that logic, we should ban all progress since we don’t absolutely know the future effects of anything. But weak argument or not, that’s as far as his scientist mind is willing to go, and I applaud his intellectual honesty.
Xenoilphobe
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Pretty creative painter. Wonder how hard it would be to get this printed and framed.. Add a Che Guevara Beret and Cigar and this will go viral...
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You try to read too much between the lines. It was pretty obvious that the drugs topic will be discussed.
Try to watch other Rogan interviews with not MMA quests. The format of the interviews is open. and is not never warry of provoking or sensitive subjects. The only topic which is missing is SJW, and it's obviously not because Rogan didn't want to ask questions about.
This interview is not any different in structure from plenty of other Rogan interviews. They are never scripted in "normal" MM sense that is why they look often unpolished or "uncomfortable". lol
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Xenoilphobe
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What the hell is SJW?
Nevermind, I found it:
Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.
The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.
#1: A social justice warrior reads an essay about a form of internal misogyny where women and girls insult stereotypical feminine activities and characteristics in order to boost themselves over other women.
The SJW absorbs this and later complains in response to a Huffington Post article about a 10-year-old feminist's letter, because the 10-year-old called the color pink "prissy".
#2: Commnter: "I don't like getting manicures. It's too prissy."
SJW: "Oh my god, how ****ing dare you use that word, you disgusting sexist piece of *sugar*!"
Source: Urban Dictionary: SJW
Nevermind, I found it:
Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.
The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.
#1: A social justice warrior reads an essay about a form of internal misogyny where women and girls insult stereotypical feminine activities and characteristics in order to boost themselves over other women.
The SJW absorbs this and later complains in response to a Huffington Post article about a 10-year-old feminist's letter, because the 10-year-old called the color pink "prissy".
#2: Commnter: "I don't like getting manicures. It's too prissy."
SJW: "Oh my god, how ****ing dare you use that word, you disgusting sexist piece of *sugar*!"
Source: Urban Dictionary: SJW
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Sg911
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I have a different take than the other explanations you got, and I don't know if it's Elon's take, but my guess is all the things you mention are "experiments" including building a house, wearing cloths and making metal objects. We're barely out of the jungle as a species. Everything we do is an experiment. We don't build homes like we did just 100 yeas ago, in the future we may cloth ourselves virtually with an app and particle arrangement changes, and metal objects could be out give the potential for lasers, that didn't exist just a short time back. That's how I think Elon's mind works (and never stops working) and oil, looking at it that way, is an experiment, that we all should readily admit brought us much further out of the jungle, gave us longer lives, better quality of life, better food availability, better housing, (all understatements) but now threatens to put us back into a different type of jungle (or the ones that survive) if we don't dial back this oil experiment, and steer us in another direction, given what science is telling us. We're just a higher primate with a large brain experimenting in all that we do and trying to figure out this thing called life. I hope Elons gets things a bit more straightened out in his mind, since he appears slightly tortured (but he's a billionaire who dates supermodels -- so I don't feel that bad for him.) We need more humans like him around. I also hope the rest of us humans use science to guide us, and not made up things like religion.
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