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Elon Tweets He's Considering Taking Tesla Private at $420

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Everyone has a good point. But let's keep it simple.

If you, as an individual, can have a successful company, any CEO will rather it be a private than public.

Unfortunately most successful company grows big while they are public and can never go back.

Elon is smart here, Tesla is cheap as a tech company. 82B sounds like alot for peasant like us but between oil money and China, there are plenty to go around.

There are many giant private companies in the world too, for example, Huawei.
 
Everyone has a good point. But let's keep it simple.

If you, as an individual, can have a successful company, any CEO will rather it be a private than public.
That's not necessarily true. A public company has liquid shares. A CEO can decide to cash out her/his exposure if he wants. The company can also use the shares as currency for compensating her/his empolyees and to make acquisitions. Being public also allows you to have a very diversified shareholding group and the CEO, especially if she/he is also chairman, can have more power than a private company where one or a handful of investors, like a Private Equity fund, can fire the CEO at a moments notice.

Elon is smart here, Tesla is cheap as a tech company. 82B sounds like alot for peasant like us but between oil money and China, there are plenty to go around.
Many folks would disagree with you - like all of the people shorting Tesla and most value investors. It is not clear when Tesla will be cash flow positive.

There are many giant private companies in the world too, for example, Huawei.
It is not all that clear who owns Huawei and many believe it is controlled by the Chinese government. Many of the largest companies in the world (in terms of valuation) are state owned oil companies - like Saudi Aramco.
 
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I'm not sure I like the idea of a Saudi takeover given the current tantrum with Canada. I would be wary of their investment if they pull the strings.

I'll say that I am not pleased with some of Musk's recent Twitter escapades (going private, the diver, etc.) that are more reactive (like Trump). He needs to take time away from Twitter.

The Globe and Mail's David Milstead has a brutal take on Tesla currently: Keep your wallet – and your sanity – intact and avoid Tesla stock

That said, I think it's off the mark, but not fully.
 
It seems like Elon did jump the gun on this. According to yesterday's release from Tesla he was nowhere near to having funding secured, he just had discussions with the "Managing Director" of the Saudi fund.
Update on Taking Tesla Private
Elon Musk August 13, 2018
As I announced last Tuesday, I’m considering taking Tesla private because I believe it could be good for our shareholders, enable Tesla to operate at its best, and advance our mission of accelerating the transition to sustainable energy. As I continue to consider this, I want to answer some of the questions that have been asked since last Tuesday.

What has happened so far?
On August 2nd, I notified the Tesla board that, in my personal capacity, I wanted to take Tesla private at $420 per share. This was a 20% premium over the ~$350 then current share price (which already reflected a ~16% increase in the price since just prior to announcing Q2 earnings on August 1st). My proposal was based on using a structure where any existing shareholder who wished to remain as a shareholder in a private Tesla could do so, with the $420 per share buyout used only for shareholders that preferred that option.

After an initial meeting of the board’s outside directors to discuss my proposal (I did not participate, nor did Kimbal), a full board meeting was held. During that meeting, I told the board about the funding discussions that had taken place (more on that below) and I explained why this could be in Tesla’s long-term interest.

At the end of that meeting, it was agreed that as a next step, I would reach out to some of Tesla’s largest shareholders. Our largest investors have been extremely supportive of Tesla over the years, and understanding whether they had the ability and desire to remain as shareholders in a private Tesla is of critical importance to me. They are the ones who believed in Tesla when no one else did and they are the ones who most believe in our future. I told the board that I would report back after I had these discussions.

Why did I make a public announcement?
The only way I could have meaningful discussions with our largest shareholders was to be completely forthcoming with them about my desire to take the company private. However, it wouldn’t be right to share information about going private with just our largest investors without sharing the same information with all investors at the same time. As a result, it was clear to me that the right thing to do was announce my intentions publicly. To be clear, when I made the public announcement, just as with this blog post and all other discussions I have had on this topic, I am speaking for myself as a potential bidder for Tesla.

Why did I say “funding secured”?
Going back almost two years, the Saudi Arabian sovereign wealth fund has approached me multiple times about taking Tesla private. They first met with me at the beginning of 2017 to express this interest because of the important need to diversify away from oil. They then held several additional meetings with me over the next year to reiterate this interest and to try to move forward with a going private transaction. Obviously, the Saudi sovereign fund has more than enough capital needed to execute on such a transaction.

Recently, after the Saudi fund bought almost 5% of Tesla stock through the public markets, they reached out to ask for another meeting. That meeting took place on July 31st. During the meeting, the Managing Director of the fund expressed regret that I had not moved forward previously on a going private transaction with them, and he strongly expressed his support for funding a going private transaction for Tesla at this time. I understood from him that no other decision makers were needed and that they were eager to proceed.

I left the July 31st meeting with no question that a deal with the Saudi sovereign fund could be closed, and that it was just a matter of getting the process moving. This is why I referred to “funding secured” in the August 7th announcement.

Following the August 7th announcement, I have continued to communicate with the Managing Director of the Saudi fund. He has expressed support for proceeding subject to financial and other due diligence and their internal review process for obtaining approvals. He has also asked for additional details on how the company would be taken private, including any required percentages and any regulatory requirements.
 
Thanks for starting that thread. There's a lot of unknown. If we are forced to liquidate it'd be good to know in advance because there might be an opportunity to sell above $420 if there is a big short squeeze.

But, like you, I've been accumulating for years and really want to hold on. I think transferring from TFSA to private should be workable. But RRSP would result in a 50% tax hit.

It wouldn't be a tax hit if you sold the Tesla shares and replaced them with some other stock / ETF, as long as the capital gains aren't paid out and the investments stay in the RRSP. I'm not a financial planner, but I'm fairly certain of this as I have the same issue.
 
Transactions in registered accounts like RRSP, TFSA, RESP, etc are not subject to capital gains. But holding a private company in these accounts would be tricky and I am guessing that continuing to hold would be less likely to be possible outside of the US.
 
It wouldn't be a tax hit if you sold the Tesla shares and replaced them with some other stock / ETF, as long as the capital gains aren't paid out and the investments stay in the RRSP. I'm not a financial planner, but I'm fairly certain of this as I have the same issue.

Yeah, I’m more concerned about continuing to hold TSLA if they move to private. There’s no way to do that from within a RRSP as best I can research.
 
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Generally to invest in private securities in Ontario you must be an accredited investor. Here are the criteria for individuals:

(j) an individual who, either alone or with a spouse, beneficially owns financial assets having an aggregate realizable value that before taxes, but net of any related liabilities, exceeds $1,000,000;

(j.1) an individual who beneficially owns financial assets having an aggregate realizable value that, before taxes but net of any related liabilities, exceeds $5,000,000;

(k) an individual whose net income before taxes exceeded $200,000 in each of the two most recent calendar years or whose net income before taxes combined with that of a spouse exceeded $300,000 in each of the two most recent calendar years and who, in either case, reasonably expects to exceed that net income level in the current calendar year;

(l) an individual who, either alone or with a spouse, has net assets of at least $5,000,000;

(m) a person, other than an individual or an investment fund, that has net assets of at least $5,000,000 as shown on its most recently prepared financial statements;
 
If he takes Tesla private with a substantial piece of it being owned by the Saudis, my current Tesla will be my last Tesla. I cannot think of a more ethically challenged bunch than the Saudis to have influence on Tesla. I thought that Elon had a great vision of saving us from the fossil fuel madness we are in. Instead, he is going to sell out to the biggest cabal of oil producers on the planet. If it is mainly because of the short sellers tying Elon’s shorts in a knot, then boo hoo. All he needs to do to squash the shorts is deliver, and they are done. Can’t say how my shine for Musk has fallen. Hero to zero.