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Elon & Twitter
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Yes, probably in the main. The issue of how Elon’s twitter deal affects Tesla is legit here, but isn’t much to chew over. There is just a simple idea or two there for now... plus a lot of tribal posturing.
These folks did a quickie analysis of twitter accounts active over the past 90 days. They claim ~19.42% are likely spam/bots. If true, that would be 4x what twitter has been claiming lately.
SparkToro & Followerwonk Joint Twitter Analysis: 19.42% of Active Accounts Are Fake or Spam - SparkToro
TL;DR - From May 13-15, 2022, SparkToro and Followerwonk conducted a rigorous, joint analysis of five datasets including a variety of active (i.e.sparktoro.com
I created a twitter account early on and have yet to issue a tweet. A few years ago I noticed I had several hundred followers. Deleted as many as I could, but still had a few. Now I notice I have zero followers. So it seems like twitter has been doing some cleaning up.
The raises the question of how many people are Twitter lurkers. (Twurkers?) Lurkers are still consumers.
(I don't have a Twitter account, so I'm definitely read only, and not even a lurker.)
mspohr
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I signed up for a Twitter account about 15 years ago when it first started. Haven't posted anything for years and I don't go to the website to read it although I do see content posted elsewhere online. Probably shouldn't count me as a user or even a lurker.
Daniel in SD
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Elon needs to walk away, this is beyond parody at this point. "People work 4 days a quarter"? Really? If Elon doesn't walk away from this deal I will seriously question his judgment and also my own judgment in remaining invested in his company.
bkp_duke
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Guy states openly what everyone knew was going on behind the scenes.
"Twitter does not believe in free speech."
"Our jobs are at stake. He's a capitalist and we weren't really operating like capitalists, more like very socialist. Like we're all like commie as f**k."
"I basically went to work like four hours a week last quarter. And it's just how it works in our company."
Yeah - this guy's job is over and done with. He's also going to be the most hated person in the Twitter sandbox.
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Right… random dude with agenda is not exactly who I am going to believe about something so absurd
bkp_duke
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Video pretty much speaks for itself, and falls in line with EXACTLY what we say when Elon made his offer (Twitter "town meeting" for employees where they were NOT HAPPY about him buy it).
Knightshade
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To be fair- it's project veritas- a group repeatedly sued for deceptive and dishonest "expose" stories, and who has been raided by the FBI for criminal activity.
CLK350
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Reposting from the main thread
And I think this answers a lot of questions folks here are still unsure about.
IMHO:
1. Elon is NOT going to let go, the deal will be done. Twitter is a big deal for humanity in his view, and will indirectly help Tesla
2. It is NOT about his ego, his ego is really all about increasing the chances of improving our future
On YouTube now
0:00 Bestie Guestie Elon Musk joins the besties via Zoom at the All-In Summit!
0:43 Benchmarking Twitter's bot problem, thoughts on slights from the Biden Administration
13:26 Breaking down Tesla's 6+ businesses, comparing them to a traditional car company
21:42 Concerns around the Twitter deal, crypto payments on Twitter
30:19 Building vs. acquiring, early Tesla stories
39:52 SpaceX's grand vision and business model, nuclear fusion vs. solar
56:37 Moving from CA to TX, fixing California, macroeconomic takes
1:10:20 American exceptionalism, a new immigration strategy
And I think this answers a lot of questions folks here are still unsure about.
IMHO:
1. Elon is NOT going to let go, the deal will be done. Twitter is a big deal for humanity in his view, and will indirectly help Tesla
2. It is NOT about his ego, his ego is really all about increasing the chances of improving our future
On YouTube now
0:00 Bestie Guestie Elon Musk joins the besties via Zoom at the All-In Summit!
0:43 Benchmarking Twitter's bot problem, thoughts on slights from the Biden Administration
13:26 Breaking down Tesla's 6+ businesses, comparing them to a traditional car company
21:42 Concerns around the Twitter deal, crypto payments on Twitter
30:19 Building vs. acquiring, early Tesla stories
39:52 SpaceX's grand vision and business model, nuclear fusion vs. solar
56:37 Moving from CA to TX, fixing California, macroeconomic takes
1:10:20 American exceptionalism, a new immigration strategy
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bkp_duke
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To also be fair . . . it's a video where an admitted senior engineer from Twitter spills the beans.
Knightshade
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Well, no- it's a video where project veritas claims it's a senior engineer.
PV has claimed lots of things that turned out not to be true though.
Googling his name I found no evidence his actual job other than far-right news sites repeating the claim in the video.
Also it appears the person interviewing him is a woman at a bar and they're having drinks- so for all we know this is any rando in any job at twitter trying to get into someones pants and PV specifically set up a sting for any twitter employee they could get to show up... (it'd also be consistent with PV behavior if they did this multiple times and only published the one time they got someone to say something they wanted said).
He also mentioned he only goes to work like 4 hours a week, so it's equally possible he is some sort of engineer but the "everyone at twitter" he's talking about is like the couple of other dudes who happen to be there that same tiny % of the time.
In short PV is an unrelaible source who has been caught doing shady and outright illegal "reporting" for years. It's pretty reasonable to be dubious enough not to take what they're presenting at face value, since so often it turned out what they were presenting was anywhere from "not the whole truth" to "almost 0 actual truth"
bo3bdar
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Well, at the very minimum Project Veritas claimed it's a senior engineer at Twitter, and gosh I'm sure we should just trust them to not stage or fake anything.
Snark aside, that report is trash. No actual senior engineer is going to waste their limited time on something stupid. They can literally go anywhere, work on anything. No one with a senior level skillset will stay and work 4 hours a week and just waste their life.
bkp_duke
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Argument of convenience.
FACT - we KNOW that Twitter employees contribute to the left at mulitples to the right:
Twitter Profile: Totals
Twitter organization profile: contributions by party of recipient, by source of funds, and affiliates.
www.opensecrets.org
FACT - we KNOW that Twitter employees in the OPEN town hall meeting after Elon's purchased was confirmed were VERY VERY unhappy. There are tons of accounts of this.
So while you COULD be right that this is "all made up", the rest of the environment in which this is showing up, it lends a great deal of credibility to the account. Far more credibility than the argument of "it's just made up."
Knightshade
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No, argument of a known dishonest source that has repeatedly been caught outright lying.
For example way back in 2006 they sent a fake underaged girl (she was of age) into planned parenthood and secretly (and illegally BTW) filmed the workers advice to the girl.
Then heavily edited it to make it look like they never cited the laws they follow (even though they did) and to make it look like they never asked the girl to consult her mother about the pregnancy (even though they did). PV was eventually forced to take down the videos.
In 2009 was the famous ACORN expose... where again they "interviewed" folks under false pretenses, often without them knowing they were being inverviewed- then the results were heavily edited to try and elicit damaging statements from employees. The heavy edits make it look like he'd entered in a pimp outfit and the employees had actively tried to help him break the law. Congress actually suspended funding of ACORN as a result of these videos.
Except- it turns out he didn't wear that outfit into the offices, and the office not never did anything to break the law at all, they actively reported the person coming in asking how to do so to the cops immediately.
Multiple PV parties ended up sued over it, and having to pay out large settlements for their deception.
That's pretty much continued to be the PV playbook ever since... including editing things out of sequence to, for example take someone who was saying (in the raw footage) that defunding a program would cause significant damage to make it sound like they actually wanted it defunded.... or PV releasing a heavily, dishonestly, edited video where they claimed an environmental film maker was willing to take foreign oil money.... hilariously the filmmaker had ALSO recorded the discussion, and released the UNedited copy, showing exactly the opposite with him repeatedly refusing the money.
And on and on.
So do Teslas.
Tesla Inc Profile: Recipients
Tesla Inc organization profile: candidate recipients for the 2022 cycle and top recipients of all types for the 2022 cycle.
www.opensecrets.org
If you wanna just blindly take what's already obviously an edited video- from a source who has been widely known to be flat out dishonestly editing videos- often to present the opposite impression of the things actually said in the raw footage- at face value- that's on you.
_Redshift_
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Argument of convenience.
FACT - we KNOW that Twitter employees contribute to the left at mulitples to the right:
That should not be disputed, and anyone here that says otherwise is just dishonest.Twitter Profile: Totals
Twitter organization profile: contributions by party of recipient, by source of funds, and affiliates.
FACT - we KNOW that Twitter employees in the OPEN town hall meeting after Elon's purchased was confirmed were VERY VERY unhappy. There are tons of accounts of this.
So while you COULD be right that this is "all made up", the rest of the environment in which this is showing up, it lends a great deal of credibility to the account. Far more credibility than the argument of "it's just made up."
IMHO this post is what will happen at Twitter once Elon takes over.
Someone with a pretty shady reputation posts a video. The parties with vested interest in believing the story will believe them whether it’s true or not. They will loudly denounce any challengers. The challengers then loudly denounce the other side.
Both sides ultimately won’t change their minds.
Yeah, this will be best for the future of humanity.
This Twitter thing is possibly the worst idea to come out of Elon’s head.
bkp_duke
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Guy looks to have been RAPIDLY scrubbing himself from the internet, but I've found what I believe is him.
Sirushti Murugesan's email & phone | Twitter's Senior Engineer email (was up while I was writing this, now removed - screenshot below)
Now deleted Twitter profile:
sirushtim - Overview
sirushtim has 19 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.
github.com
Looks like he appeared in some dispute involving an auto accident about a year ago (didn't read details):
Sirushti Murugesan vs. Wilbur Heki Tanaka, et al
On 04/19/2021 Sirushti Murugesan filed a Personal Injury - Motor Vehicle court case against Wilbur Heki Tanaka, in San Mateo County Superior Courts. Court records for this case are available from Southern Branch Hall of Justice and Records.
unicourt.com
This might be him, but I don't have a FB account and am not signing up for one.
Sirushti Murugesan
Sirushti Murugesan is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Sirushti Murugesan and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected.
www.facebook.com
This was his LinkedIn, got scrubbed as well:
The key to finding his deleted posts is knowing how to search google history (use the "cache" command in search), and not relying upon real-time results. I would be scrubbing myself too if I were this guy. His friend count is probably dropping exponentially by the minute.
EDIT - other search engines besides google and bing don't update as quickly. Here is a screenshot of DuckDuckGo that show's the summary of his LinkedIn Page.
He is/was a Senior Engineer at Twitter:
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bkp_duke
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No, argument of a known dishonest source that has repeatedly been caught outright lying.
For example way back in 2006 they sent a fake underaged girl (she was of age) into planned parenthood and secretly (and illegally BTW) filmed the workers advice to the girl.
Then heavily edited it to make it look like they never cited the laws they follow (even though they did) and to make it look like they never asked the girl to consult her mother about the pregnancy (even though they did). PV was eventually forced to take down the videos.
In 2009 was the famous ACORN expose... where again they "interviewed" folks under false pretenses, often without them knowing they were being inverviewed- then the results were heavily edited to try and elicit damaging statements from employees. The heavy edits make it look like he'd entered in a pimp outfit and the employees had actively tried to help him break the law. Congress actually suspended funding of ACORN as a result of these videos.
Except- it turns out he didn't wear that outfit into the offices, and the office not never did anything to break the law at all, they actively reported the person coming in asking how to do so to the cops immediately.
Multiple PV parties ended up sued over it, and having to pay out large settlements for their deception.
That's pretty much continued to be the PV playbook ever since... including editing things out of sequence to, for example take someone who was saying (in the raw footage) that defunding a program would cause significant damage to make it sound like they actually wanted it defunded.... or PV releasing a heavily, dishonestly, edited video where they claimed an environmental film maker was willing to take foreign oil money.... hilariously the filmmaker had ALSO recorded the discussion, and released the UNedited copy, showing exactly the opposite with him repeatedly refusing the money.
And on and on.
So do Teslas.
Tesla Inc Profile: Recipients
Tesla Inc organization profile: candidate recipients for the 2022 cycle and top recipients of all types for the 2022 cycle.
If you wanna just blindly take what's already obviously an edited video- from a source who has been widely known to be flat out dishonestly editing videos- often to present the opposite impression of the things actually said in the raw footage- at face value- that's on you.
Post above confirms he's a Sr. Engineer at Twitter.
And I'll happily admit that the video is most assuredly sound bytes pieced together.
The problem is, those pieces stand on their own very clearly.
Knightshade
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Your post confirms he claimed he's a senior engineer.
But then the git repo suggests he was still in college as recently as 2018.
The lawsuit doc shows a request for dismissal with prejudice and it appears the case was indeed dismissed.
So might not be the first time this guy was caught lying or exaggerating to try and gain something out of it
Hilariously- one of the defendants listed was Uber.
Oh, and no, they do not stand on their own very clearly.
Any more than all the previous times PV was caught making people seem to "very clearly" say the exact opposite of stuff they actually said if you can sue them and get the unedited footage (or the other party was clever enough to ALSO be recording as in a few cases)
Sometimes by just editing parts out, sometimes by rearranging the order of the words, sometimes by editing to make it appear the person is giving their own opinion when in the raw video they're quoting someone else they don't even agree with.
PV has been doing this garbage for 15 years now, they have a lot of experience.
But then the git repo suggests he was still in college as recently as 2018.
The lawsuit doc shows a request for dismissal with prejudice and it appears the case was indeed dismissed.
So might not be the first time this guy was caught lying or exaggerating to try and gain something out of it
Hilariously- one of the defendants listed was Uber.
Oh, and no, they do not stand on their own very clearly.
Any more than all the previous times PV was caught making people seem to "very clearly" say the exact opposite of stuff they actually said if you can sue them and get the unedited footage (or the other party was clever enough to ALSO be recording as in a few cases)
Sometimes by just editing parts out, sometimes by rearranging the order of the words, sometimes by editing to make it appear the person is giving their own opinion when in the raw video they're quoting someone else they don't even agree with.
PV has been doing this garbage for 15 years now, they have a lot of experience.
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