mach-edriver
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How about a compromise?
Leave the Confederate statues standing so long as they’re paired with statues of whipped slaves.
Problem solved! Everybody’s history is memorialized.
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Leave the Confederate statues standing so long as they’re paired with statues of whipped slaves.
Problem solved! Everybody’s history is memorialized.
You lost me there...please explain.
Gigapress
Trying to be less wrong
Well there's also the fact that a couple weeks ago I said I was tired of it polluting the main investor thread and said I was leaving until it stopped and went here, and then the mods threw down the hammer and made the traffic go here.
Elon's doing more in the last week too, but it's definitely not the only factor with respect to this particular thread.
mach-edriver
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I believe he’s saying that removing a statute of a Confederate general evidences bigotry.
You mean like possibly the largest democratic protest by a population in human history (and completely ignored by the MSM)...type of information?
AlanSubie4Life
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The optimist in me wants to believe that Elon is simply wanting to buy some TSLA. Lol. But I think he has just gone guano crazy. (Probably hasn’t actually changed much but just a bit more empowered right now.)
The Algorithm is powerful so just turn it off (top right). But won’t fix this problem since that only partially disables it.
Search (from:elonmusk), Latest tab.
It’s the best way to view Tweets. Eliminates The Algorithm, but the dreaded Shadowbanning can still work its magic in rare cases, I am sure.
The Algorithm is powerful so just turn it off (top right). But won’t fix this problem since that only partially disables it.
Search (from:elonmusk), Latest tab.
It’s the best way to view Tweets. Eliminates The Algorithm, but the dreaded Shadowbanning can still work its magic in rare cases, I am sure.
Sorry that doesn't make sense at all. People should be represented in movies like they are in society. You could also make the argument that movies should only have straight people or white people if heterosexuality is the point of the movie, makes as littles sense as what you said.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
The statutes aren’t relevant to my ancestry nor EM’s.
But they are relevant to another period in history where the country was divided to the point where secession was seen as a better solution than tolerating the erosion of states rights.
Wokism/Identitarianism is an accelerant to this division today and needs to be brought under control. This is where EM and my interests align on the matter.
I don't understand. Did Musk come out against the removal of Confederate statues, or did you front run and assume he will?
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
I’ve explained it in a later post. As for the remark you replied to, pay it no mind.
The statues celebrate one side of a conflict to free humans from slavery (the wrong side, by the way)
I would argue their removal from the public square helps further inclusion.
I still am lost as to the definition of "wokism" It would seem to mean different things to different people.
I would argue their removal from the public square helps further inclusion.
I still am lost as to the definition of "wokism" It would seem to mean different things to different people.
Gigapress
Trying to be less wrong
Most people outside of North America don't care much about US politics, and the USA only accounts for about 20% of the global market for new cars. It's a highly profitable market but there's plenty of opportunity elsewhere.
Product boycotts are rarely effective or sustained for long. People forget quickly. VW diesel emissions fraud and being run by a family that got its wealth directly from their historical affiliation with Hitler and the Nazi party hasn't stopped them from selling more cars than any other company in history.
Elon can whip out his phone and see real-time order flow on Tesla.com and you and I can't do that as outsiders. Worst comes to worst, he could simply leave the company.
Back in the day, most Americans said they'd never buy a German or Japanese car, especially Japanese. Toyota + Lexus is now the best-selling car company in America and has been near the top for decades, even during the 1970s and 80s when residual hatred from WWII was still common and when being openly racist was socially acceptable.
Almost half of the American population doesn't even bother to vote in our elections. Yet we think close to 50% of the population cares enough to boycott Tesla's cars because they don't like Elon? Most people don't even have the money to throw around to make that kind of social or moral statement with their available budget. They just buy something good enough within their price range that's safe and looks acceptable and is convenient.
Daniel in SD
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No people are just trying to predict what Elon will see in his Twitter feed and then Tweet about because of his desperate need for attention. It’s a fun game.
mach-edriver
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In the MAGA Bizarro World, removing emblems of bigotry is itself bigotry. There’s a deep undercurrent of fear of any threat to the racial status quo we grew up with.
This is the root of the “replacement theory” promoted by such luminaries as Tucker Carlson.
The US is still dominating world politics enough that people in the world are aware what is going on there. Elon is all over the press, and not in a good way. I lived in the US for a year and the perception of politics in other parts of the world hardly plays a role - it is much different if you live elsewhere.
Raisin45567
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ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
You don’t have to agree with the “why” to understand the “what” and “who” was responsible for the catalyst.
mach-edriver
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“Yet we think close to 50% of the population cares enough to boycott Tesla's cars because they don't like Elon?”
Buying a EV for over $50,000 is an EXTREMELY discretionary decision with (now) lots of options. Companies that do advertise spend hundreds of millions to flip 5% of the markets for toothpaste and for beer.
That Tesla hasn’t needed to spend on marketing is a testament to its innovation and uniqueness.
To pass on buying a car is a decision that can be made based on a host of subtle factors, and it doesn’t require anything as blunt as a boycott.
True, most Americans tend to be detached from political controversy, but the most-educated tend to be more engaged and are also the most inclined to buy vehicles from Tesla or its competitors.
There is not an unlimited reservoir of good feeling toward the brand and a lot of damage can be done well shy of a massive boycott.
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Can introduce a shareholder motion.
See Karen's twitter feed for instructions.
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