Fisker Karma

[Cobos]

The Panamera looks like crap though, not from the front, but the rear end is just plain horrible. I'll give Fisker that, it at least looks pretty decent from all angles, I'll even concede the front on the Karma has grown on me ;-)
Apart from that, the Karma is definately too expensive. Interesting to see if it does sell as Fisker obviously thinks it will.

Cobos

 

[ljbad4life]

If there is enough demand at that price, then that's just good business.

There is a reason why every car company has a base model with price heavy extras that can equal up to 50% of its base price. Fisker is bucking the trend and hopefully that works for them in the same way Tesla bucked the dealership trend.

The Panamera gets about 24 mpg on the highway and (IIRC) I think we figured that the Karma would get about 25 mpg after it's Stealth Mode is depleted. So on a long trip, they get similar fuel economy as well.

I'm waiting to see what the panamera hybrid will do for mpg. If it does anywhere near 30 then that's stiff competition and the panamera hybrid is the same price as the Karma. This needs to be reiterated, that the Karma cannot achieve its peak performance without the ICE. So it's less of a matter of when Stealth runs out, and more of when the driver decides he wants to punch it or aggressively driving style.

The Panamera looks like crap though, not from the front, but the rear end is just plain horrible. I'll give Fisker that, it at least looks pretty decent from all angles, I'll even concede the front on the Karma has grown on me ;-)
Apart from that, the Karma is definately too expensive. Interesting to see if it does sell as Fisker obviously thinks it will.

I've never thought Porches in general looked that amazing (they remind me of frogs). I can't argue on the rear end of panamera. I want to see how Fisker Karma sells, hopefully well!

 

[doug]

This needs to be reiterated, that the Karma cannot achieve its peak performance without the ICE. So it's less of a matter of when Stealth runs out, and more of when the driver decides he wants to punch it or aggressively driving style.

It think it's also the case that the Karma cannot achieve its peak performance with a depleted battery.

 

[AnOutsider]

I've never thought Porches in general looked that amazing (they remind me of frogs).

PERFECT comparison!

 

[dpeilow]

Fisker Automotive raises additional $100 million Autoblog Green

 

[Cobos]

One can always ask what will they do with all that money since they don't seem to be delivering cars
Seriously though considering all the delays I'll eat my stetson hat if Fisker actually delivers any Nina car to a customer within 2012 and I'd almost dare say 2013 as well. [Thankfully I don't actually have a stetson hat so I should be safe :-D]

Cobos

 

[doug]

Delaware business: Fisker's deep pockets perplex analysts | The News Journal | delawareonline.com

Fisker's success raising capital is perplexing to a cadre of automotive industry analysts who caution that the company's sales forecasts are wildly inflated. J.D. Power and Associates, for example, forecast in March that Fisker will sell 48,000 cars by 2014. Fisker has said it intends to sell 100,000 cars annually by that year.

 

[DrTaras]

Just cancelled my Fisker order. Let's see if my money gets returned...

As much as I felt that the Fisker experience was shrouded for the years that I was on the list, I do have to say that when I asked for a refund a few months ago, it came within 3 weeks at the most. I want them to do well, but am still suspicious. I'm routing that they will have their act together when they EVENTUALLY release the Sunset.

 

[stopcrazypp]

I do have to say that when I asked for a refund a few months ago, it came within 3 weeks at the most.

Given how many investments they are getting, they probably aren't worrying over cash flow right now. The bigger question is if there is enough demand for the vehicle.

 

[vfx]

Our refund came back quickly too. (must be near 6 months or longer now).

And I too want them to succeed.

I guess just not with my money.

Except for those loans my taxes are funding. I guess that's OK.

Like I have a choice.

 

[PaulM]

Have they delivered any cars yet? They started production at the end of March and cars were supposed to be delivered to dealers some time in April but here we are May 17th and I haven't heard about any cars being delivered.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/fisker-begins-production-of-the-88000-karma-plug-in-hybrid/

 

[TEG]

Fisker: Slight Delays to Karma : Greentech Media

...customer deliveries in June/July...

Fisker Karma production slowly ramping up, first deliveries expected in June or July -- Engadget

 

[TEG]

 

[TEG]

A Fisker Karma that randomly showed up at Home Depot on May 8, 2011. (Michigan)

 

[TEG]

 

[TEG]

(Among other changes, the production version appears to have an EVer logo on the front quarter panel)

 

[SByer]

Those dimples look like back up sonar. The front end still makes me cringe.

 

[ljbad4life]

Those dimples look like back up sonar. The front end still makes me cringe.

The dimples are in the exact same place as before. The dimples/impression in the bumper around the sonar sensor makes the sonar so pronounced and eye catching. For some reason I feel like the bumper itself has been slightly altered (in shape)

 

[kgb]

Is it just me?

 

[TEG]

Well if his goal was to design a front end that people would notice, and comment about, it worked...