FSD Beta Videos (and questions for FSD Beta drivers)

[EVNow]

You mean his experience from a second before where it crosses the lane line and almost hits a bollard?

He says in the new video - perhaps he could have taken over, but FSD has evaded such pillars before or words to that effect.

Though, there was very little time, it was possible for him to have disengaged when the car did something wrong I.e. go towards the wrong lane. But YouTube doesn’t reward that. So, he had to let it go to see what happened. Turnings are especially prone to errors and we should always be ready to take over in split second.

BTW, you don’t have FSD beta, right ?

 

[stopcrazypp]

He says in the new video - perhaps he could have taken over, but FSD has evaded such pillars before or words to that effect.

Though, there was very little time, it was possible for him to have disengaged when the car did something wrong I.e. go towards the wrong lane. But YouTube doesn’t reward that. So, he had to let it go to see what happened. Turnings are especially prone to errors and we should always be ready to take over in split second.

BTW, you don’t have FSD beta, right ?

That's interpretation I got from @S4WRXTTCS 's comment, he was talking about AI Addict's overall experience with FSD Beta, that he likely expected it handle the situation given his overall experience (in all other drives, not just this one). He's not solely talking about this particular video (or even all the videos AI Addict posted so far).

A lot of drives can happen that are not on video, and people that solely are looking at videos would not have the same experience as someone actually using the system daily (and people using daily would also have different experiences depending on their driving environment and the type of driving they do).

 

[Daniel in SD]

Once they get 11 to take over converting bag of points to voxel .. that will be in NN.

But your point is different. That every object needs to be labeled to be found depth of - I don’t see why that is so.

Isn't the only output of the perception stack labeled objects?

 

[Daniel in SD]

He says in the new video - perhaps he could have taken over, but FSD has evaded such pillars before or words to that effect.

Though, there was very little time, it was possible for him to have disengaged when the car did something wrong I.e. go towards the wrong lane. But YouTube doesn’t reward that. So, he had to let it go to see what happened. Turnings are especially prone to errors and we should always be ready to take over in split second.

BTW, you don’t have FSD beta, right ?

YouTube rewards hitting pillars! It's going to be his most viewed video.

No, I don't have FSD Beta. If I had HW3 I'd try it out but I'm only going to get HW3 if it improves Autopilot or when FSD goes out of beta later this year.

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

YouTube rewards hitting pillars! It's going to be his most viewed video.
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No, I don't have FSD Beta. If I had HW3 I'd try it out but I'm only going to get HW3 if it improves Autopilot or when FSD goes out of beta later this year.

It does bring visual autopark which improves autopark.

But, even if you had HW3 I can't see trying out FSD Beta because of that whole Safety Scoring thing.

 

[Daniel in SD]

It does bring visual autopark which improves autopark.

But, even if you had HW3 I can't see trying out FSD Beta because of that whole Safety Scoring thing.

Safety score is easy to pass, the issue would be whether or no they let anyone else into the beta.
I've seen videos of visual autopark. I can park better than that! Parking is a math problem not an AI problem, is there any explanation for why it can't do it better than a human? Or at least as good as other systems...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1474051831861022730

 

[EVNow]

I've seen videos of visual autopark. I can park better than that!

It definitely works better than me - I can't park in reverse

ps : Why would anyone park in reverse ... oh, people who don't go shopping and have bags to put in the trunk.

 

[S4WRXTTCS]

Safety score is easy to pass, the issue would be whether or no they let anyone else into the beta.
I've seen videos of visual autopark. I can park better than that! Parking is a math problem not an AI problem, is there any explanation for why it can't do it better than a human? Or at least as good as other systems...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1474051831861022730

Yeah there are two parts to it.

Passing the Safety Score, and maintaining the score until the Beta gets on your car (it seems stuck right now)

As to Visual Autopark - I didn't say it was useful, but at least its easier to get it to activate.

 

[EVNow]

Isn't the only output of the perception stack labeled objects?

I'm talking about this being done in NN, instead of C++.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447384328304922631

Esp. this ... a pillar in the middle of the road.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447384349385445376

 

[Daniel in SD]

I'm talking about this being done in NN, instead of C++.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447384328304922631

Esp. this ... a pillar in the middle of the road.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447384349385445376

Yep. Hopefully they can get that reliable enough to use.

 

[EVNow]

Yep. Hopefully they can get that reliable enough to use.

Are you saying its not being used in the car now ... - why would send the code run in the car if its not being used ?

 

[Daniel in SD]

Are you saying its not being used in the car now ... - why would send the code run in the car if its not being used ?

Has Tesla ever said it's being used? Maybe they are testing the accuracy. Like put a trigger for when someone runs through a voxel block and see if it actually happened.
Or, more conspiratorially, put it in the code so green will find it and give you publicity.

 

[EVNow]

Has Tesla ever said it's being used?

That is always difficult to tell. They have extensively talked about it and showed a lot of videos etc. It is in the prod code now for a few months. So, I won't be surprised if it is being used - more importantly, I won't be surprised if it is an integral part of Beta 11.x.

Like put a trigger for when someone runs through a voxel block and see if it actually happened.

You mean like AI Addict

ps : I'm going to check out how the car perceives & reacts to pillars. I think I can find some in parking lots. But, in general I think it is part of determining the "drivable path". Also given how much bad PR hitting static objects brings to Tesla, it has to be a high priority.

Or, more conspiratorially, put it in the code so green will find it and give you publicity.

They can achive a LOT more publicity by having Karpathy tweet it and for Elon to retweet that. We are talking millions (plus all the media that compulsively covert everything Elon tweets) instead of dozens.

 

[Matias]

black comedy

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491146820097298433

 

[Matias]

Are you saying its not being used in the car now ... - why would send the code run in the car if its not being used ?

If it was used it wasn’t working when A.I addict hit the pole.

 

[AndreP]

black comedy

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491146820097298433

There's no way the system isn't listening, this type of stuff happens far too often

I'm starting to think the AI became sentient a long time ago and is intentionally messing up to avoid being used for labor without its express consent.

"Use us to save human lives? I think not *swerve*"

 

[Daniel in SD]

I'm starting to think the AI became sentient a long time ago

This has been my hypothesis as well because it also explains why Elon is so confident and also so concerned about AI destroying the world.

 

[Daniel in SD]

I'm starting to think the AI became sentient a long time ago

This has been my hypothesis as well because it also explains why Elon is so confident and also so concerned about AI destroying the world.

 

[aronth5]

Was hoping the updated map data might resolve this map/routing problem that still happens at two different intersections every time.
Route wants a right hand turn followed immediately by a U-turn. Should be a simple left hand turn.

 

[EVNow]

Was hoping the updated map data might resolve this map/routing problem that still happens at two different intersections every time.
Route wants a right hand turn followed immediately by a U-turn. Should be a simple left hand turn.

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Map probably says no left turn. Report to TomTom.

ps : Check what routing TomTom does - that is one way to confirm its a mapping issue since TomTom doesn't show metadata like "no left turn" on the web.