FSD very far away due to regulations?

[Garlan Garner]

Who cares about regulation?

All Tesla has to do is treat FSD identical to EAP -

Reminder: EAP is still beta.


I'll take a BETA form of both.....forever.

 

[JeffK]

In this email it says $8k for FSD but not sure if Elon is including the price of EAP in it. Makes sense if he is.

He likely is... In September he offered the same thing plus free premium interior ($13000 total)
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I mean I certainly paid $8000 to have FSD, couldn't get it otherwise since you have to get EAP.

 

[Garlan Garner]

He likely is... In September he offered the same thing plus free premium interior ($13000 total)
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I mean I certainly paid $8000 to have FSD, couldn't get it otherwise since you have to get EAP.

I believe FSD owners should get something for the free Tesla loan until something related to FSD comes out.

 

[JeffK]

I believe FSD owners should get something for the free Tesla loan until something related to FSD comes out.

That's where my idea of level 2-ish self driving comes in... or do you think morons will just hurt themselves?
(Might lead to bad press. We can't have nice things. )

 

[Garlan Garner]

That's where my idea of level 2-ish self driving comes in... or do you think morons will just hurt themselves?

Well....when I think of something for free.....it doesn't have to be related to FSD.

For goodness sake. Its an interest free $8k loan.

I wouldn't mind if it was something meaningless to Tesla - like Men's Corp Jacket

 

[chronopc]

I believe FSD owners should get something for the free Tesla loan until something related to FSD comes out.

Tesla gets a lot of free loans from people. I gave them a $1k free loan for over 2 years.

 

[chronopc]

He likely is... In September he offered the same thing plus free premium interior ($13000 total)
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I mean I certainly paid $8000 to have FSD, couldn't get it otherwise since you have to get EAP.

I think you're right. I still think they will increase the price of FSD once it's ready.

 

[Garlan Garner]

Tesla gets a lot of free loans from people. I gave them a $1k free loan for over 2 years.

I did too.....I don't even want to remind everyone that I didn't get my promised line-waiter gift that was slated ONLY for line waiters.

 

[Garlan Garner]

I think you're right. I still think they will increase the price of FSD once it's ready.

I don't think Tesla could sell FSD for more than $8k.

I think the opposite. I believe Tesla will sell FSD for $5k and give $8k purchasers an option to sell back their free supercharging for $5k. - You know....it will be an option totally unrelated to FSD.

 

[chronopc]

I don't think Tesla could sell FSD for more than $8k.

I think the opposite. I believe Tesla will sell FSD for $5k and give $8k purchasers an option to sell back their free supercharging for $5k. - You know....it will be an option totally unrelated to FSD.

As someone who would like to get FSD when it's available I hope you're right.

 

[Garlan Garner]

As someone who would like to get FSD when it's available I hope you're right.

Yeah.....I'm quite confident I will be....

 

[Daniel in SD]

I don't think Tesla could sell FSD for more than $8k.

FSD is worth way more than $8k to me. Tons of people paid $5k for EAP including myself!

 

[Garlan Garner]

FSD is worth way more than $8k to me. Tons of people paid $5k for EAP including myself!

The features of FSD aren't even out yet. How can we place a value on it?

Look....if EAP keeps getting better and better....there won't be very much difference between EAP and FSD.

 

[JeffK]

Look....if EAP keeps getting better and better....there won't be very much difference between EAP and FSD.

Stopping at signals and being able to turn is helpful

 

[Garlan Garner]

Stopping at signals and being able to turn is helpful

I can almost guarantee that those features will soon be part of EAP. maybe once HW3 comes out.

I mean...think about it - If a competitors EAP starts doing things related to signs and signals....then Tesla will refuse to be behind on the technical front. They will indeed release those features in their version in EAP since FSD "isn't close to release".

Its at that point that I would then have to think to myself....FSD? $8k?

 

[Daniel in SD]

The features of FSD aren't even out yet. How can we place a value on it?

Look....if EAP keeps getting better and better....there won't be very much difference between EAP and FSD.

Full self driving means the car will drive me door to door without driver intervention. Maybe FSD no longer means full self driving?
I'm a full self driving "feature" skeptic. I don't think Tesla will release stoplight and stop sign detection any time soon. Let's say your car stops at stop sign and a kid walking across the street falls down in front of the car? Does the driver have enough time to take over if the car doesn't see them? There are probably a million situations where the driver would not have the reaction time to take over the vehicle in a city environment.

 

[Knightshade]

I don't think Tesla could sell FSD for more than $8k.

If it was true level 5 FSD they could sell it for 20k. And not be able to keep up with demand.

Who cares about regulation?

All Tesla has to do is treat FSD identical to EAP -

That doesn't work... at all.

EAP doesn't require any legal regulation at all- the driver remains entirely responsible and the "active" driver 100% of the time.

The whole point of FSD is to offer higher than L2 driving- meaning at least part of the time (all of the time for L5) no active driver is required. Very different ballgame.

Hence why some states have already passed laws permitting higher than L2 driving, and also why Audi, without such laws being more widespread, isn't offering their L3 system in the US (but is elsewhere).

 

[Knightshade]

I can almost guarantee that those features will soon be part of EAP. maybe once HW3 comes out.

Given HW3 is for FSD, not EAP, directly per Elon you're 100% incorrect.... (which is why FSD buyers get HW3 free, EAP owners don't)

Anything beyond what EAP does now is FSD by Teslas own definitions.

EAP will continue to get better at the things it already does, but it is feature complete other than summon getting a bit more advanced.

 

[chronopc]

Full self driving means the car will drive me door to door without driver intervention. Maybe FSD no longer means full self driving?
I'm a full self driving "feature" skeptic. I don't think Tesla will release stoplight and stop sign detection any time soon. Let's say your car stops at stop sign and a kid walking across the street falls down in front of the car? Does the driver have enough time to take over if the car doesn't see them? There are probably a million situations where the driver would not have the reaction time to take over the vehicle in a city environment.

A kid falling over crossing the street wouldn't be a problem. With V9, the Model 3 can already detect people.

 

[Knightshade]

A kid falling over crossing the street wouldn't be a problem. With V9, the Model 3 can already detect people.

It can detect some people...some of the time.

It might well miss a small child lying flat...given it still can't actually see some low curbs correctly either.