Green New Deal

[juliusa]

Ignorant.

Is that your way of saying you can't defend the Democrats not agreeing to a green primary by not flying private - and perhaps doing other things?

With all the negative press about how much flying private they are doing, why doesn't the media ask that at the next debate? "Everyone who would agree to stop flying private for the rest of the primary if all the other candidates agreed, please raise your hand."

Who are we kidding - the corrupt media would never put their party on the spot like that and call them out for their hypocrisy.

 

[JRP3]

I'll try and help you out, the Democratic Party is not a unified monolith. The ones pushing hardest for the most change and the strongest stance on climate change are the outsiders. They are not going to get the party to change unless the win the election. Until then they'll have to play within the existing system, just as Elon has to in order to get things done. Now please stop this ignorant and childish line of commenting, it's a total waste of time as I've pointed out.

 

[SDRick]

What would be the downside asking the question about flying private at the next debate?

Asking... "Everyone who would agree to stop flying private for the rest of the primary if all the other candidates agreed, please raise your hand."? would make interesting TV and show commitment to the cause.

 

[juliusa]

I'll try and help you out, the Democratic Party is not a unified monolith.

Exactly!! Even though all the candidates "say" they support the GND, or at the very least care about climate change, their actions say otherwise. They are NOT unified around reducing carbon.

The ones pushing hardest for the most change and the strongest stance on climate change are the outsiders.

Fine - so why can't the Democrat candidates just say they are not concerned about carbon in the atmosphere?? It is the outsiders that are concerned, and they are not running for president.

What would be the downside asking the question about flying private at the next debate?

The media would expose the Democrats for they hypocrites they are. They don't want to do that to their own party.

 

[JRP3]

Fine - so why can't the Democrat candidates just say they are not concerned about carbon in the atmosphere?? It is the outsiders that are concerned, and they are not running for president.

Yes they are, Sanders, Yang, and to some degree Warren, are outsiders going up against the centrists. Why can't you just admit that some candidates are in fact concerned about the atmosphere and want to get elected to do something about it? Other than the obvious fact that it goes against your insane bias.

 

[JRP3]

What would be the downside asking the question about flying private at the next debate?

Asking... "Everyone who would agree to stop flying private for the rest of the primary if all the other candidates agreed, please raise your hand."? would make interesting TV and show commitment to the cause.

It wouldn't be that interesting because it's irrelevant to the actual issue. A handful of private flights won't make a bit of difference, changing the way the world uses energy will, and it's the only thing that will.

 

[juliusa]

Why can't you just admit that some candidates are in fact concerned about the atmosphere and want to get elected to do something about it?

They ALL "say" they want to reduce emissions. Seems they want everyone else to reduce carbon emissions, just not them.

A handful of private flights won't make a bit of difference, changing the way the world uses energy will, and it's the only thing that will.

The same thing could be said about US emissions. At 16% of global emissions, and dropping, dropping faster won't make a bit of difference.

To that, I hear "if we lead, they will follow". Yet, the same people don't apply the "if we lead, they will follow" to the Democrat candidates.

Maybe if the Democrat candidates stop flying private, companies will follow. How about environmentally-conscious companies? Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft? Maybe then some of the others would be forced to follow: GM, GE, etc.

But their view is carbon reduction is for the peons, not the elites.

 

[JRP3]

But their view is carbon reduction is for the peons, not the elites.

Don't project your ignorant views onto others. 16% of world emissions is significant, especially when changes that large will cause other's to change as well. Your argument is equivalent to saying you might as well commit murder since other people will commit murder. It's beyond stupid.

 

[juliusa]

Don't project your ignorant views onto others. 16% of world emissions is significant, especially when changes that large will cause other's to change as well. Your argument is equivalent to saying you might as well commit murder since other people will commit murder. It's beyond stupid.

In the same post you are saying the US should lead by example, but the Democrat candidates should not?? Really?

Any reduction in US emissions is purely symbolic. And we are reducing - but as much as we reduce, the rest of the world increases by even more.

The Democrats want a government-controlled economy, and an electorate that is dependent on the government. Climate change is simply a convenient mechanism to achieve their power over the population.

 

[JRP3]

Simply repeating the same nonsense over and over will never make it true.

 

[juliusa]

Simply repeating the same nonsense over and over will never make it true.

Just simple facts.

If the Democrats gave a rats ass about the environment, why wouldn't they run a green primary?

They can burn all the carbon they want to beat the Republicans in the general. But in the primary?? The only explanation is they just do not care. At all. Just a talking point to fool the low-intelligence voters - apparently working quite well for them.

 

[JRP3]

Childish repetition of garbage is still garbage.

 

[juliusa]

Childish repetition of garbage is still garbage.

So why don't you stop posting it? The Democrats keep proving their agenda is income redistribution, and climate is simply a convenient crisis to achieve their end. Flying private is just an blatant example.

 

[mspohr]

Childish repetition of garbage is still garbage.

Protip: Use the "Ignore" button and you won't have to read the drivel.

 

[mspohr]

A Green New Deal for an Ecological Economy - Resilience


We argue that ecological economists can play a leading role in this. In their textbook Ecological Economics, Herman Daly and Josh Farley list sustainability and justice as the field’s first two goals. If the GND’s goal is to facilitate, through policy, the transition to a socially equitable low-carbon economy, then ecological economics basically bills itself as the science of the Green New Deal. Of course, many fields have knowledge and ways of thinking to contribute to informing a GND. Part of ecological economics’ strength is its willingness to incorporate evidence, theory, methods, and perspectives from diverse disciplines.

 

[juliusa]

Protip: Use the "Ignore" button and you won't have to read the drivel.

Thank you! Forgot about that. Good advice.

 

[JRP3]

Protip: Use the "Ignore" button and you won't have to read the drivel.

I really try not to but I'm coming to the same conclusion.

 

[mspohr]

I really try not to but I'm coming to the same conclusion.

I admire your effort but it doesn't seem to be getting through.

 

[juliusa]

All politicians are about is their next election, followed closely by the almighty dollar. Just like pro athletes - they stand for principle, as long as it does not impact THEM.

They care not about carbon. Democrat, Republican - all the same.

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[mspohr]

The Green New Deal is the perfect retort to trickle-down fear-mongers: Finally, progressives have the game-changing argument that can swing a majority of Americans toward a better future

In this opinion piece, she argues that the Green New Deal policy is effective because it directly counters the narrative of trickle-down economics. It promises to create a new economy and jobs, fighting the narrative that climate measures require austerity and cutting back.

That's why I'm so inspired by the success of the Green New Deal as a policy — it flips the trickle-down narrative on its head. Instead of the tired argument that environmental regulations kill jobs, the Green New Deal promises to create millions of good-paying jobs. Rather than arguing that the fight against climate change will require sacrifice and austerity, the Green New Deal promises a prosperous new clean economy, built from the middle out.