"Guilt" for being able to get a Model S?!

[Tommy]

That's what I always saw it as also.

 

[Lloyd]

Looks like a top down photo of a bloke on a motorbike ..

If that's true, sorry Strider I could not see that. My bad!!

 

[brianman]

But politicians (all of them, regardless of party, except maybe Ron Paul) have been unwilling to even start the conversation with the public.

Incorrect. The public hasn't been receptive. The ones that try get publicly roasted for trying to do anything about it. Or ignored. Or both.

 

[gg_got_a_tesla]

Incorrect. The public hasn't been receptive. The ones that try get publicly roasted for trying to do anything about it. Or ignored. Or both.

Indeed. It's the media that largely attempts to shape (and succeeds to a great extent in shaping) the public debate about such issues; guess who controls the media's purse strings?!

 

[strider]

If that's true, sorry Strider I could not see that. My bad!!

Yes, it's a photo of me racing my motorcycle at Laguna Seca (Turn 9).

And just to take the topic completely off the rails I am violently anti flag-burning. To me, to burn the flag is to burn the "idea" of America and if you don't like the "idea" of America you should get the hell out. However I'm fully supportive of everyone's right to protest the current "state" of America including burning effigies of politicians, agencies, Congress, the President, themselves, etc.

/me ducks from Doug

 

[Lloyd]

Yes, it's a photo of me racing my motorcycle at Laguna Seca (Turn 9).

And just to take the topic completely off the rails I am violently anti flag-burning. To me, to burn the flag is to burn the "idea" of America and if you don't like the "idea" of America you should get the hell out. However I'm fully supportive of everyone's right to protest the current "state" of America including burning effigies of politicians, agencies, Congress, the President, themselves, etc.

/me ducks from Doug

Thanks you have restored my faith.

 

[dsm363]

I think this thread went a little off topic 10 pages ago:smile:

Should it be moved to the off-topic area and renamed: "Guilt" for being able to buy a Tesla

 

[Doug_G]

Lloyd,
I agree w/ your last posts regarding the state of our finances (and taking us even further off-topc . In contrast to what you might think I am staunchly fiscally conservative. I don't think the government should ever be allowed to run a deficit. During good times they should build up a surplus of money that they could then give out in unemployment insurance, other stimulus, etc. when times are bad. Americans (and most of the world really) have been getting more government than they've been willing to pay for for decades now but we need to face the music that we're in the hole and we need to decide what amount of government we're willing to pay for. But politicians (all of them, regardless of party, except maybe Ron Paul) have been unwilling to even start the conversation with the public.

Speaking as an outsider, I find it bizarre that many Republicans seem to think it is somehow "conservative" to just cut taxes. It's fiscally conservative to balance the budget! In the current fiscal climate a tax cut is nothing but more spending.

 

[AnOutsider]

Speaking as an outsider

Ahem.

 

[Doug_G]

Ahem.

Non-American. Okay?

Edit: no, wait. Canada is part of North America. $@#$!

 

[shark2k]

Non-American. Okay?

Edit: no, wait. Canada is part of North America. $@#$!

I think it had more to do with you using his forum handle :biggrin:

-Shark2k

 

[Doug_G]

I think it had more to do with you using his forum handle :biggrin:

Uh, yeah. I got that, and responded with a lamer joke. Man, if you have to explain a lame joke, then geez. :tongue:

 

[AnOutsider]

As long as we don't get back into weird loopback jokes

 

[NigelM]

30% of Americans Think Canada Is Just Another State…

 

[Majerus]

30% of Americans Think Canada Is Just Another State…

Wow the brilliance of the general population amazing.

 

[Mycroft]

Wow the brilliance of the general population amazing.

Yeah, really. Everybody knows it's about a half-dozen states. British Columbia, Quebec and all those ones in the middle there. Eh?

 

[Doug_G]

This thread is great. Apparently the subject is so vague that nothing is off-topic!

 

[Doug_G]

Yeah, really. Everybody knows it's about a half-dozen states. British Columbia, Quebec and all those ones in the middle there. Eh?

Actually, ten provinces and three territories. But you knew that, right?

Right?

 

[vfx]

Also consider a recent interview with Bernanke:

One Congressman said that he wanted Bernanke to assume hypothetically that the wishes of both parties were allowed to come true. He wanted Bernanke to assume that the increased taxation of the rich took place as proposed by President Obama. He also wanted Bernanke to assume that all the spending cuts being proposed by Republicans also went into law. He then asked Bernanke whether these suggested changes would address the debt problem....

If we have 1 million EVs on the road by 2015, will that solve the air pollution, noise pollution, gridlock, or national security?

 

[vfx]

Speaking as an outsider, I find it bizarre that many Republicans seem to think it is somehow "conservative" to just cut taxes. It's fiscally conservative to balance the budget! In the current fiscal climate a tax cut is nothing but more spending.

Curious when the last time the budget was balanced when the conservatives were in power?